Help me balance out this deal.

I'm trying to get into the rookie draft this year. I have the 2.10/3.11, but that's not being "in" the draft to me. I may be off my rocker for even thinking about doing this but here's my thought.

Another owner is rebuilding and has the following picks. 1.03/1.06/1.09/1.10/1.12

Give: Gio/Hilton

Get: Wright/(picks)

So my question is this. What picks would you want added to Kendall Wright to give up Gio/Hilton? Obviously both players I'm giving are young and on the rise, so I'd want proper value for them. The other owner likes both players and would probably love to have them as building blocks for his rebuild. If I could squeeze enough picks out of the deal to make it worth while for me, I'd consider this.

Let me ask this. Is the 1.01 going to be better than Gio, let alone the 1.03? No way. I don't even consider the 1.01, 1.06 and Wright for Gio let alone Gio and Hilton :) Get back on your rocker!

I should say that the 1.01 will gain value, even in my eyes, and I'm always high on the 1.01 every year. So, this could get closer, who knows. But for now, that Rocker is empty and you fell off, as we're talking about the 1.03 here.

I'd go after the 1.03, 1.06 and 1.09 along with Wright. I guess I'd settle for the 1.10 or 1.12 in place of the 1.09. I'd rather have the 1.03 and 1.06 over Gio. Gio's nice, but I wouldn't doubt if some more talented options emerge in the draft. Hilton's nice as well, but Wright and a later 1st isn't a bad return considering I like the first half of the deal for you. Obviously, the 1.03 would be a necessity in any deal you make. If he has reservations about including the 1.06, I'd negotiate getting four 1sts instead of three (1.03, 1.09, 1.10, 1.12).

I think you've gotta keep gio and Hilton...I agree with smitty here. I MIGHT give up gio alone for the 1.03 and 1.09. I think that could turn into a nice combo of talent and situation at the rb and wr spot

emurrell17 said:

I think you've gotta keep gio and Hilton...I agree with smitty here. I MIGHT give up gio alone for the 1.03 and 1.09. I think that could turn into a nice combo of talent and situation at the rb and wr spot

Hmm so if you MIGHT give up Gio for the 1.03 and 1.09 then getting the 1.03/1.06 with Wright might work? Maybe...

Gio/Hilton

for

Wright/1.03/1.06? Maybe I even try to get the 1.10 thrown in too.

branch0095 said:

emurrell17 said:

I think you've gotta keep gio and Hilton...I agree with smitty here. I MIGHT give up gio alone for the 1.03 and 1.09. I think that could turn into a nice combo of talent and situation at the rb and wr spot

Hmm so if you MIGHT give up Gio for the 1.03 and 1.09 then getting the 1.03/1.06 with Wright might work? Maybe...

Gio/Hilton

for

Wright/1.03/1.06? Maybe I even try to get the 1.10 thrown in too.

Again, that 1.03 will look better nearing April, I admit it. But, Hilton could be so good. And, Gio is already on the verge of becoming an MJD like player. I just don't see this, but hey, anything can happen, you wouldn't be crazy to roll with it (let's say one leg is still on the rocker, but I just wouldn't, no way.

I think you have to get one of the three later picks thrown in order to make the deal.

Maybe Gio/2.10 for Wright/1.03/1.12. I know that's asking a lot but I think that's where Gio's value should be. I wouldn't trade both Gio and Hilton away.

BK19 said:

Maybe Gio/2.10 for Wright/1.03/1.12. I know that's asking a lot but I think that's where Gio's value should be. I wouldn't trade both Gio and Hilton away.

I'd prob take Gio at 1.01 if he was tossed into this player pool. To me, that makes even the 1.01, 1.12 and Wright not even enough for me. I'll leave it at that for my stance. ;)

Smitty said:

BK19 said:

Maybe Gio/2.10 for Wright/1.03/1.12. I know that's asking a lot but I think that's where Gio's value should be. I wouldn't trade both Gio and Hilton away.

I'd prob take Gio at 1.01 if he was tossed into this player pool. To me, that makes even the 1.01, 1.12 and Wright not even enough for me. I'll leave it at that for my stance. ;)

Even over Watkins in a great situation? (I'm not trying to take this thread in a different direction, sorry) but I remember Gio went in the early to middle of the first round in some leagues I was in.

Here is what I am wondering. For instance, if you were to get Wright/1.03/1.12 for Gio/2.10, do you think you could package that 1.12 with another player and get another top 3 pick? Because I think that would be worth it if you could pull that off.

In terms of last years class, that would be like getting Kendall Wright plus 2 of Bell/Patterson/Gio for Gio/2.10/(player who helped you move up in the draft). I know that's a crazy way to explain it but that would be a great return IMO.

BK19 said:

Smitty said:

BK19 said:

Maybe Gio/2.10 for Wright/1.03/1.12. I know that's asking a lot but I think that's where Gio's value should be. I wouldn't trade both Gio and Hilton away.

I'd prob take Gio at 1.01 if he was tossed into this player pool. To me, that makes even the 1.01, 1.12 and Wright not even enough for me. I'll leave it at that for my stance. ;)

Even over Watkins in a great situation? (I'm not trying to take this thread in a different direction, sorry) but I remember Gio went in the early to middle of the first round in some leagues I was in.

Here is what I am wondering. For instance, if you were to get Wright/1.03/1.12 for Gio/2.10, do you think you could package that 1.12 with another player and get another top 3 pick? Because I think that would be worth it if you could pull that off.

In terms of last years class, that would be like getting Kendall Wright plus 2 of Bell/Patterson/Gio for Gio/2.10/(player who helped you move up in the draft). I know that's a crazy way to explain it but that would be a great return IMO.

Unfortunately, moving up to another top pick is really not an option. The owner of the 1.01 is the league's least active owner who had a horrible startup draft. (Example, he took Wallace at 2.07 in April 2013). The owner of the 1.02/1.04 is obsessed with youth/picks and is on the verge of having a juggernaut team. He punted year 1 and then bought up all the injured studs during the season. Then some idiot owner pretty much gave him Gordon and Blackmon in a 2 week stance. The point is, the 1.03 from this owner is the highest pick I'm going to be able to get this year.

BK19 said:

Smitty said:

BK19 said:

Maybe Gio/2.10 for Wright/1.03/1.12. I know that's asking a lot but I think that's where Gio's value should be. I wouldn't trade both Gio and Hilton away.

I'd prob take Gio at 1.01 if he was tossed into this player pool. To me, that makes even the 1.01, 1.12 and Wright not even enough for me. I'll leave it at that for my stance. ;)

Even over Watkins in a great situation? (I'm not trying to take this thread in a different direction, sorry) but I remember Gio went in the early to middle of the first round in some leagues I was in.

Here is what I am wondering. For instance, if you were to get Wright/1.03/1.12 for Gio/2.10, do you think you could package that 1.12 with another player and get another top 3 pick? Because I think that would be worth it if you could pull that off.

In terms of last years class, that would be like getting Kendall Wright plus 2 of Bell/Patterson/Gio for Gio/2.10/(player who helped you move up in the draft). I know that's a crazy way to explain it but that would be a great return IMO.

If in a great situation, he is likely going to go at 1.01 or at least 1.02 in most every draft, though.

It's pretty close to a given Watkins will go 1.01. BK19 was just responding to your scenario of taking Gio with the 1.01 if he was in this draft. I think it would depend on my team need. I will say that Watkins is a much better prospect this year than Gio was last year. The fact that we saw some of what Gio could do at the NFL level boosts his value to where many will value him more than Watkins. Gio was probably the 1.01 in the highest percentage of drafts last year, but many seemed to want to trade out of the 1.01 for cheaper prices than the pick usually commands. This year, it looks as if many are trying to acquire the 1.01, but it's going to cost a pretty penny.

But yeah, we are kind of going off-topic here. It is an interesting debate though. Maybe we can tackle it in another thread. Apologies, Branch. Smitty started it. He acts like he owns the place.

:P

Fighting_Amish said:

It's pretty close to a given Watkins will go 1.01. BK19 was just responding to your scenario of taking Gio with the 1.01 if he was in this draft. I think it would depend on my team need. I will say that Watkins is a much better prospect this year than Gio was last year. The fact that we saw some of what Gio could do at the NFL level boosts his value to where many will value him more than Watkins. Gio was probably the 1.01 in the highest percentage of drafts last year, but many seemed to want to trade out of the 1.01 for cheaper prices than the pick usually commands. This year, it looks as if many are trying to acquire the 1.01, but it's going to cost a pretty penny.

But yeah, we are kind of going off-topic here. It is an interesting debate though. Maybe we can tackle it in another thread. Apologies, Branch. Smitty started it. He acts like he owns the place.
:P

No apologies needed. I enjoy conversations with this kind of theory involved. It helps to see how others value players to picks.

To your response, I agree. Gio was the most common pick at 1.01 in 2013. but only after most tried to trade out of the spot and gain value elsewhere. Almost a consolation prize. This year Watikins is the consensus 1.01 at this point, and many owners live by the motto that you'll get my 1.01 when you pry it from my cold dead hands. :)

Fighting_Amish said:

It's pretty close to a given Watkins will go 1.01. BK19 was just responding to your scenario of taking Gio with the 1.01 if he was in this draft. I think it would depend on my team need. I will say that Watkins is a much better prospect this year than Gio was last year. The fact that we saw some of what Gio could do at the NFL level boosts his value to where many will value him more than Watkins. Gio was probably the 1.01 in the highest percentage of drafts last year, but many seemed to want to trade out of the 1.01 for cheaper prices than the pick usually commands. This year, it looks as if many are trying to acquire the 1.01, but it's going to cost a pretty penny.

But yeah, we are kind of going off-topic here. It is an interesting debate though. Maybe we can tackle it in another thread. Apologies, Branch. Smitty started it. He acts like he owns the place.
:P

@Fighting_Amish I get distracted easy :)

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