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Let's talk Riley Cooper
  • donvaughndonvaughn March 7
    Posts: 927
    Let's talk the pros and cons. All in my humble opinion.

    Pros being he has great size, bulk, and physicality for an outside WR making him a great red zone target. He has good hands as he only dropped 3 passes last year. He has deceptive speed as he often beats cbs deep with his long strides on the 9 route. The best thing he has going for him is he's tied to a young qb on the verge of being elite who trusts him. That combined with high up tempo style of Chip Kelly puts him in an ideal situation to maximize his talent. He can still be had for a wr4 price tag.


    Cons on film being nearly every catch on his highlight reel is uncontested. I see a wide open wr catching balls against poor or confused defenses, cb's falling down, and underthrown passes. He's an average route runner. Not a big PPR guy. Disappears from the stat sheet from games. Classic boom or bust guy. Over qtr of his yds and 5 of his 8 tds came in back to back games wk9/10. I don't read too much into projecting a full season with Foles as Riley had only 1td and a high of 78 yds over the last 6 games. To me the Jordy Nelson comparison is a stretch, even though Riley's ranked higher on the board. Jordy has all the situational qualities above, with better attributes, more athletic and he makes highly contested catches. Maybe I'm just sour grapes as Riley burned many fantasy owners in wk15 last yr, myself included, with only 29yds(even though Foles threw for 428). Still not sure how that was possible lol.


    DC Superflex Dynasty. PPR. 4pt passing tds (1QB,2RB,3WR,1TE,1QB/RB/WR/TE)
    QB-P.Rivers, C.Palmer, B.Osweiler, R.Mallet
    RB-J.Charles, A.Ellington, K.Robinson, F.Jackson, S.Taylor, M.Leshoure
    WR-D.Thomas, B.Marshall, C.Patterson, D.Hopkins, M.Jones, M.Wilson
    TE-G.Olsen, L.Green
    Rookie Picks-1.10,2.05,3.01,3.05,4.02
  • BuckysGT March 7
    Posts: 7,810
    Good break down. I'm mixed on Cooper. I think with the offense evolving he has a good chance to put up decent numbers. Starting out as a wr3 with a wr2 upside. My question is will there be enough balls to go around. I have a hard time putting him in the pecking order on the offense. There is McCoy, Jackson, Ertz, now we have Maclin back plus Celek still seems to get some. Where is Cooper on this order?

    I really like his size, abilities and connection with Foles. Let see if he can translate that into the next level.
  • donvaughndonvaughn March 7
    Posts: 927
    Agreed with the mouths to feed in Phi. The cost to acquire him is dirt cheap so even if he underperforms it's not gonna kill you.
    DC Superflex Dynasty. PPR. 4pt passing tds (1QB,2RB,3WR,1TE,1QB/RB/WR/TE)
    QB-P.Rivers, C.Palmer, B.Osweiler, R.Mallet
    RB-J.Charles, A.Ellington, K.Robinson, F.Jackson, S.Taylor, M.Leshoure
    WR-D.Thomas, B.Marshall, C.Patterson, D.Hopkins, M.Jones, M.Wilson
    TE-G.Olsen, L.Green
    Rookie Picks-1.10,2.05,3.01,3.05,4.02
  • BuckysGT March 7
    Posts: 7,810
    donvaughn said:

    Agreed with the mouths to feed in Phi. The cost to acquire him is dirt cheap so even if he underperforms it's not gonna kill you.



    Very true. He doesn't cost a lot. Right now he's a hold and wait for his value to rise.
  • SwampiesSwampies March 7
    Posts: 3,069
    Foles has a nice assortment of weapons to utilizes at his disposal. A Green Bay look alike with a better running game which we can not forget! Everyone on this team is getting a lot love and you have to wonder really how many balls everyone will truly get without being water down passing the ball around this much? Questioning are the worth owning at what expectation WR1 WR2 WR3?
    My league is a non PPR 12 person league having a roster of 19 players each. Active roster includes 1Qb 2Rb's 3Wr's 1Te 1K 1Def. Two weeks before draft we cut the roster down to 9 keepers. My team as of now:
    QB Russell Wilson, EJ Manuel, Josh Mckown
    RB Lamar Miller, Shane Vereen, Zac Stacy, Cierre Wood
    WR AJ Green, Julio Jones, Josh Gordon, Andre Johnson, Rueben Randle, Kenny Stills
    TE Z Ertz, M. Bennett, Delanie Walker
    DEF Kansas City, Cleveland
    K Steven Hauschka

    (I'm not a expert but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!)
  • andr3wlandr3wl March 7
    Posts: 1,186
    Soo many weapons. Foles will just look for the open guy. Could be djax, maclin, cooper, or ertz
  • SmittySmitty March 8
    Posts: 7,292
    Foles was on pace for 4000+ and 39TDs in weeks 6-17... Seems like enough offense to feed all those mouths. It's DEN 2.0.
    - Smitty | Owner/Founder
  • jknightonjknighton March 8
    Posts: 1,506
    At his price I'll buy all day. Maclin or DJax are bound to be injured at some point.
  • BuckysGT March 8
    Posts: 7,810
    jknighton said:

    At his price I'll buy all day. Maclin or DJax are bound to be injured at some point.



    I'll throw some offers out as well to see if I can get him cheap.
  • donvaughndonvaughn March 8
    Posts: 927
    Smitty said:

    Foles was on pace for 4000+ and 39TDs in weeks 6-17... Seems like enough offense to feed all those mouths. It's DEN 2.0.



    I can't help but feel like that OAK game was a fluke. 7 TD passes with 3 to Riley. I think that inflated both their numbers and projections.
    DC Superflex Dynasty. PPR. 4pt passing tds (1QB,2RB,3WR,1TE,1QB/RB/WR/TE)
    QB-P.Rivers, C.Palmer, B.Osweiler, R.Mallet
    RB-J.Charles, A.Ellington, K.Robinson, F.Jackson, S.Taylor, M.Leshoure
    WR-D.Thomas, B.Marshall, C.Patterson, D.Hopkins, M.Jones, M.Wilson
    TE-G.Olsen, L.Green
    Rookie Picks-1.10,2.05,3.01,3.05,4.02
  • SMFFCN March 8
    Posts: 448
    I'm trying to scoop him up where I can but I'm not looking to hand over a premium for a possible "flash in the pan" player. 

    What rookie pick would you part with for Cooper straight up? Maybe a 3rd?
  • SmittySmitty March 8
    Posts: 7,292
    SMFFCN said:

    I'm trying to scoop him up where I can but I'm not looking to hand over a premium for a possible "flash in the pan" player. 


    What rookie pick would you part with for Cooper straight up? Maybe a 3rd?


    A third? Sure, why not? I'd love to buy at that price, no question.
    - Smitty | Owner/Founder
  • JRMRRTJRMRRT March 8
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    Id give an mid 2nd for him...3rd is stupid value. 
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  • SMFFCN March 8
    Posts: 448
    Smitty said:

    SMFFCN said:

    I'm trying to scoop him up where I can but I'm not looking to hand over a premium for a possible "flash in the pan" player. 


    What rookie pick would you part with for Cooper straight up? Maybe a 3rd?


    A third? Sure, why not? I'd love to buy at that price, no question.


    Lol. I mean that's basically getting him for free.... my bigger question is what pick would you be willing to part with. Could you see yourself moving a high 2nd?
  • SmittySmitty March 8
    Posts: 7,292
    JRMRRT said:

    Id give an mid 2nd for him...3rd is stupid value. 



    My thoughts exactly.
    - Smitty | Owner/Founder
  • SmittySmitty March 8
    Posts: 7,292
    SMFFCN said:

    Smitty said:

    SMFFCN said:

    I'm trying to scoop him up where I can but I'm not looking to hand over a premium for a possible "flash in the pan" player. 


    What rookie pick would you part with for Cooper straight up? Maybe a 3rd?


    A third? Sure, why not? I'd love to buy at that price, no question.


    Lol. I mean that's basically getting him for free.... my bigger question is what pick would you be willing to part with. Could you see yourself moving a high 2nd?


    yep. I do it. A 1st rounder, no way, value commands les for Coop, but a 2nd, especially something at least a few picks away from let's say the 2.01 or 2.02, sure!
    - Smitty | Owner/Founder
  • SMFFCN March 8
    Posts: 448
    I just moved the 2.10 for Cooper straight up. Honestly, it's more than I had hoped to pay but I'm pretty happy with the move overall.
  • SmittySmitty March 8
    Posts: 7,292
    SMFFCN said:

    I just moved the 2.10 for Cooper straight up. Honestly, it's more than I had hoped to pay but I'm pretty happy with the move overall.



    It's still low risk
    - Smitty | Owner/Founder
  • jknightonjknighton March 8
    Posts: 1,506
    I made a deal some may not like but I didn't mind. I dealt Ladarius Green for Cooper. I'm stockin up on WRs after all the injuries my WRs had last year.
  • SmittySmitty March 8
    Posts: 7,292
    Nothing wrong with that. I know many like Green, he could be very good, but it's not buying too high at all. Trading first rounders (even late) or valuing him as a top 40 pick is what I worry about when people read some predictions. I always try and stress how important it is to buy low. this is just fine. Nice work.
    - Smitty | Owner/Founder
  • jknightonjknighton March 8
    Posts: 1,506
    Smitty said:

    Nothing wrong with that. I know many like Green, he could be very good, but it's not buying too high at all. Trading first rounders (even late) or valuing him as a top 40 pick is what I worry about when people read some predictions. I always try and stress how important it is to buy low. this is just fine. Nice work.



    Green was a late season waiver claim for me last year so I didn't mind it at all. I love his upside but I still have Jordan Reed and have the best buds Cooper and Foles.
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