Cruz or Ball?

Who else has Cruz SEVERELY underrated in 2014+? I'm thinking a late 2nd round WR is still in there. Great value this year.. I've seen him in the 4th in some start ups.

Smitty said:

Who else has Cruz SEVERELY underrated in 2014+? I'm thinking a late 2nd round WR is still in there. Great value this year.. I've seen him in the 4th in some start ups.

i do way under rated....a complete steal at this point of his adp..

Just got Tate/Cruz for spiller in dynast ppr. Boom!

Yesterday I got Foster and Tate for Spiller (ppr dynasty).

Did something recently get published on Spiller? I've received 5 trade offers from owners trying to grab Spiller as of this morning..... Am I missing something?

EDIT: Based off of what you're grabbing, and the offers to me, my eyebrows are starting to twitch

SMFFCN said:

Did something recently get published on Spiller? I've received 5 trade offers from owners trying to grab Spiller as of this morning..... Am I missing something?

EDIT: Based off of what you're grabbing, and the offers to me, my eyebrows are starting to twitch

Spiller to me has equal risk and upside as both Ball and Tate... Many disagree with me, and that's fine. That's life. I have Tate planning better than Spiller I'm 2014 so I'm taking advantage of being able to trade spiller at value I consider =, plus I get a cruz or Foster. To me it's money. I love spiller. This is business. Or fantasy business.

Yeah I think he's a great value at this point and I actually don't expect his ADP rise to much. I think he can be had in the late 3rd to mid 4th from here to August

donvaughn said:

Yeah I think he's a great value at this point and I actually don't expect his ADP rise to much. I think he can be had in the late 3rd to mid 4th from here to August

QB: Nick Foles
RB1: Arian Foster
RB2: Ben Tate
WR1: Julio Jones
WR2: Keenan Allen
WR3: Victor Cruz
WR4: Riley Cooper
TE: Dennis Pitta

Thoughts. I dig it. It's a money expert lg.

Smitty said:

donvaughn said:

Yeah I think he's a great value at this point and I actually don't expect his ADP rise to much. I think he can be had in the late 3rd to mid 4th from here to August

QB: Nick Foles
RB1: Arian Foster
RB2: Ben Tate
WR1: Julio Jones
WR2: Keenan Allen
WR3: Victor Cruz
WR4: Riley Cooper
TE: Dennis Pitta

Thoughts. I dig it. It's a money expert lg.

As long as Foster is close to his old form you have a very strong lineup

I like all the names. Good team. I'll let Riley slide as your WR4 haha

Smitty said:

Just got Tate/Cruz for spiller in dynast ppr. Boom!

Thought this was weeks ago?

LukeB5301 said:

Smitty said:

Just got Tate/Cruz for spiller in dynast ppr. Boom!

Thought this was weeks ago?

Another.

The "boom" was not the league above. Just an additional "boom". I'm running out of leagues to try it in now lol

At least you're not running out of "booms"

Smitty said:

The "boom" was not the league above. Just an additional "boom". I'm running out of leagues to try it in now lol

@smitty ,i have not had any leagues where i can get this kind of value for spiller so these experts seem out of the norm in there trade values..why is that you think smitty they are smart enough to realize his value or upside where most question his ability?

I own Spiller in a PPR dynasty, and if I could get that kind of value I'd sell too. I'm very high on Spiller, Ball and Cruz.
But the two for one where I feel all three players could easily score in the top 20 PPR is a win in my book.

Doubters on Cruz has his value low, I own him in the same league I own Spiller and I've had some crappy offers for Cruz this off season. So I know some people have rebound season in their minds, and are not willing to pay for it as last year was nothing more than an average WR season...

Doubters on Spiller also have merit, but FJax is 32 and will slow down/lose burst soon if not over the off season (RBs just dropp off a cliff around that age if they are still producing well IMO. Also, Spiller had a high ankle hold him back most of last year, another huge bounce back candidate IMO

Ball might be the biggest breakout candidate this year IMO. I definitely feel Smitty was just one year early on that call last year.

All great value players, and getting two for one is a steal

bddavidson said:

Smitty said:

The "boom" was not the league above. Just an additional "boom". I'm running out of leagues to try it in now lol

@smitty ,i have not had any leagues where i can get this kind of value for spiller so these experts seem out of the norm in there trade values..why is that you think smitty they are smart enough to realize his value or upside where most question his ability?

Just depends on the league I guess.. I've done this spiller move in two non-expert leagues. In some leagues, he is valued like a RB1, in some he is not. Tough to say it would work in all leagues. Plus, you aren't going after Tate right? He is the great but low guy for such a crafty dilution of talent.

bddavidson said:

Smitty said:

The "boom" was not the league above. Just an additional "boom". I'm running out of leagues to try it in now lol

@smitty ,i have not had any leagues where i can get this kind of value for spiller so these experts seem out of the norm in there trade values..why is that you think smitty they are smart enough to realize his value or upside where most question his ability?

Yah I told him this in another league. Spiller and Cruz have near identical adps, getting Tate on top doesn't happen in normal leagues....

LukeB5301 said:

bddavidson said:

Smitty said:

The "boom" was not the league above. Just an additional "boom". I'm running out of leagues to try it in now lol

@smitty ,i have not had any leagues where i can get this kind of value for spiller so these experts seem out of the norm in there trade values..why is that you think smitty they are smart enough to realize his value or upside where most question his ability?

Yah I told him this in another league. Spiller and Cruz have near identical adps, getting Tate on top doesn't happen in normal leagues....

Well, I have seen it not work in a couple leagues, but Tate/VJax at least got done in those leagues you're suggesting.

Smitty said:

bddavidson said:

Smitty said:

The "boom" was not the league above. Just an additional "boom". I'm running out of leagues to try it in now lol

@smitty ,i have not had any leagues where i can get this kind of value for spiller so these experts seem out of the norm in there trade values..why is that you think smitty they are smart enough to realize his value or upside where most question his ability?

Just depends on the league I guess.. I've done this spiller move in two non-expert leagues. In some leagues, he is valued like a RB1, in some he is not. Tough to say it would work in all leagues. Plus, you aren't going after Tate right? He is the great but low guy for such a crafty dilution of talent.

actually i did in one league tate and cruz but wasnt even countered..even though i am concerned about his injury if i can get him and cruz that is great value but i havent seen that at all..

Smitty said:

bddavidson said:

Smitty said:

The "boom" was not the league above. Just an additional "boom". I'm running out of leagues to try it in now lol

@smitty ,i have not had any leagues where i can get this kind of value for spiller so these experts seem out of the norm in there trade values..why is that you think smitty they are smart enough to realize his value or upside where most question his ability?

Just depends on the league I guess.. I've done this spiller move in two non-expert leagues. In some leagues, he is valued like a RB1, in some he is not. Tough to say it would work in all leagues. Plus, you aren't going after Tate right? He is the great but low guy for such a crafty dilution of talent.

actually i did in one league tate and cruz but wasnt even countered..even though i am concerned about his injury if i can get him and cruz that is great value but i havent seen that at all..

@swampies said the same thing about Foles and then in another league he got Foles for something ridiculous like a 2nd and EJ Manuel.

You're gonna have those leagues, but I have traded the following:

Expert Leagues

Spiller for Foster/Cruz

Spiller for Tate/Cruz

Spiller for Tate/VJax

Buddy Leagues of mine

Spiller for Tate//Cruz

I think there might be one more. I owned Spiller in a ton of leagues, given in all these dynasty leagues he was an Upside Board/Bold Predictions a few years back, so i grabbed him a lot. It's not that I don't like him, or that I'm saying he will bust for sure, but he just can be sold higher than he should, that's all. If you're not seeing it, honestly, I don't know what to say, because I have seen it over and over, not just expert leagues proven by the other. Tate has much lower ADP than Spiller, so if Cruz is the hang up, VJax, there are other options. You might also have a "he just signed, i want to hang onto him" effect going on... let the buzz wear off. Also, keep in mind, I'm using the trade tactics I preach, are you going about your trade offers right, or are you just saying "What do you want for Tate? and raising all kinds of red flags.

I'm not making the offers, so i can't say what's being done that might be causing a unanimous "no" reaction from all your Tate trading parners.

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