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  • JRMRRTJRMRRT April 10
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    (RotoworldDeMarco Murray led all running backs (minimum 50 attempts) in yards per carry against base defenses last season. Analysis: Murray averaged a robust 5.7 yards per carry on 130 attempts against base sets, ahead of LeGarrette Blount (5.4), Kendall Hunter (5.4) and Jamaal Charles (5.1). It speaks volumes about his natural running ability. Of course, we're expecting less carries and more catches for Murray as Scott Linehan installs his pass-happy, spread scheme in Dallas. Either way, Murray is going to be on the low-end RB1 radar with upside in PPR formats.
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  • bddavidsonbddavidson April 10
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    yep he is a good rb when on the field dont think anyone would question that at all..
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  • Reisssox April 10
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    Should be high rb1
  • FarFromHomeFarFromHome April 10
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    might be the most underrated rb in fantasy land 
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  • Whos_Ur_Doggie April 10
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    He'll finish top 10 again this year but still get little to no respect.
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  • donvaughndonvaughn April 10
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    Man's never played more than 14 games in a season. He's a top 5 RB when on the field so he has huge upside! He does scare me though as a bust candidate on the year because you know he's gonna miss some games. Must grab Dunbar and Randle imo if you roll with him
  • k0wnedk0wned April 10
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    You have to factor him as a higher injury risk then most, but he is so good that it does not matter. In dynasty I am a little worried that DAL won't resign him after this year
  • zeeshan2 April 10
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    Last year in Dallas for him; don't see the Boys resigning him
  • TBLTBL April 10
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    k0wned said:

    You have to factor him as a higher injury risk then most, but he is so good that it does not matter. In dynasty I am a little worried that DAL won't resign him after this year



    Love the guy, but this is why ive been selling. Now is the time imo to sell at max value.

  • SmittySmitty April 10
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    I have always liked him, but can't seem to invest at the going ADP.
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  • JRMRRTJRMRRT April 10
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    Smitty said:

    I have always liked him, but can't seem to invest at the going ADP.



    His ADP is 2.09 on MFL and 2.03 here...Thats cheap for a young RB in his situation with his production. How many people took T Rick 10-15 spots ahead of Murray last year? Hes a steal in the late 2nd early 3rd for owners IMO. And Ive seen him still on the board in the 3rd in some drafts. And every RB is an injury risk but very few are 3 down backs on high powered offenses. Even fewer that are 6' 220 lbs and run a sub 4.4 forty.
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  • branch0095 April 11
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    JRMRRT said:

    Smitty said:

    I have always liked him, but can't seem to invest at the going ADP.



    His ADP is 2.09 on MFL and 2.03 here...Thats cheap for a young RB in his situation with his production. How many people took T Rick 10-15 spots ahead of Murray last year? Hes a steal in the late 2nd early 3rd for owners IMO. And Ive seen him still on the board in the 3rd in some drafts. And every RB is an injury risk but very few are 3 down backs on high powered offenses. Even fewer that are 6' 220 lbs and run a sub 4.4 forty.


    This is partially true. I don't doubt Murray's abilities at all, but it's been pretty obvious that Murray carries a higher risk on injury than many RBs. The guy hasn't made it through a season yet in his NFL career, and only made it through 2 seasons unscathed in college, and that's with the shorter college schedule. 

    Now we get to see how things pan out for Murray in DAL. I'm not sure I believe that DAL is going to bring him back after this year. Say what you want about DAL's usage of Murray, but his value would be in flux if that happened. 

    I think his ADP is about right honestly, and I'm not sure I'd invest in him that highly either in a dynasty start-up. A 4th year RB with extensive injury history and a contract that is set to expire at the end of the season. If you're claiming the the 2.03 and the 2.09 ADP's are both "cheap" for Murray, then are you saying you believe he should be a 1st round start up player? With what we know about the shelf lives of RBs, and the red flags about Murray's heath and the uncertainty about his future; He is not someone that I would have any confidence in as my team's anchor for the future as a 1st round startup player. Even as my 2nd player drafted, I would have doubts. I love him in the 3rd though.
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  • donvaughndonvaughn April 11
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    Yeah I agree with Branch. I think 2.03-2.08 is about right for his ADP when you weigh his injury history vs his production. I like having a safer play in the 1st
  • JRMRRTJRMRRT April 11
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    Im pretty sure he hasnt had a knee surgery or a head injury and in todays NFL Id say thats pretty good. Those are the 2 things I worry about most. And what do you mean weigh his injury history vs his production? He produces like a top RB when on the field. This very thread talks about how he led the league vs base defenses. His production is what makes his injury concern worth the gamble. Yall can have Ellington...Ill take Murray.
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  • JRMRRTJRMRRT April 11
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    After thinking about Julio's metal foot in another thread I looked and Julio has missed more games than Murray since coming into the league and everyone loves Julio. And they came in the same time. 

    Julio has played 34 and Murray played 37.  Hardly anyone says Julio is a risk cause hes an injury risk and he has hardware in his foot. I just dont understand this stuff sometimes.
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  • bddavidsonbddavidson April 11
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    JRMRRT said:

    After thinking about Julio's metal foot in another thread I looked and Julio has missed more games than Murray since coming into the league and everyone loves Julio. And they came in the same time. 


    Julio has played 34 and Murray played 37.  Hardly anyone says Julio is a risk cause hes an injury risk and he has hardware in his foot. I just dont understand this stuff sometimes.


    why i have always said JJ was an injury concern too "ducking head" but you guys dont wanna hear it..Murray has been and will always be an injury concern more than most rbs he simply cant stay on the field when he does (just like dmac) he is a beast.. 
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  • FarFromHomeFarFromHome April 11
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    JRMRRT said:

    After thinking about Julio's metal foot in another thread I looked and Julio has missed more games than Murray since coming into the league and everyone loves Julio. And they came in the same time. 


    Julio has played 34 and Murray played 37.  Hardly anyone says Julio is a risk cause hes an injury risk and he has hardware in his foot. I just dont understand this stuff sometimes.


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  • branch0095 April 11
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    JRMRRT said:

    After thinking about Julio's metal foot in another thread I looked and Julio has missed more games than Murray since coming into the league and everyone loves Julio. And they came in the same time. 


    Julio has played 34 and Murray played 37.  Hardly anyone says Julio is a risk cause hes an injury risk and he has hardware in his foot. I just dont understand this stuff sometimes.


    There's no question that Julio is an injury concern. I'm not arguing that, and I don't see anybody in this thread arguing that. Nobody here is arguing Murray's production when he's on the field either. What we're talking about here is Murray's VALUE, and the risk associated with him when investing in him as a top 20 (or possibly top 12, the way you talk about him) start up player. Comparing a WR to a RB in a situation like this is apples to oranges for one big reason....The expected career length of the position. The expected length of a WRs career is inherently longer than that of a RB. When we're talking about the 1st or 2nd player you select to anchor your dynasty team for now AND the future, there's a lot more to it than just how he produces right now when he's on the field. 

    Upside plays are for later in the draft. The goal with the 1st couple players you select in safe production. In the first two round of a draft, ALL of the players are studs. So I believe you want players that have the best shot of maintaining their value over the long run, and producing at a high level for more than the next year or 2.
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  • FarFromHomeFarFromHome April 11
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    i hear what your saying branch and agree with most...except i could care less about the back end of a wrs long career....im a 2 year window type owner....MAX...lol....murray is vastly underrated this year but the reasoning is sound as to why...only way this dude can shut the anti murray guys up is to play 16 games....i guess the primary reason behind the murray homers is that if given 16 games 2000 total yards and 15 tds seems very very reasonable....which not many rbs can say that...
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  • donvaughndonvaughn April 11
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    13,10,14. That's the number of games he's played over his career. Not McFadden numbers, but I want someone more reliable that early. I'd actually be less concerned if he missed games to acl or broken bone. I think he is a violent runner with upright running style that causes him to nicked up often
  • FarFromHomeFarFromHome April 11
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    donvaughn said:

    13,10,14. That's the number of games he's played over his career. Not McFadden numbers, but I want someone more reliable that early. I'd actually be less concerned if he missed games to acl or broken bone. I think he is a violent runner with upright running style that causes him to nicked up often



    1078...910...1474....thats the total yards in those limited games...dudes per game points is OFF THE CHARTS....if somehow he could make a deal with the devil and play 16 games he might put up one of the best seasons ever
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