I'm working on an updated overall IDP rankings list. I should have it done shortly.

BuckysGT said:

I'm working on an updated overall IDP rankings list. I should have it done shortly.

@BuckysGT thanks ! PM me when they are ready!

I'm almost done. Just have to run through the DL.

Who is going and who is available? Is your league tackle heavy or big play based?

I like those lbs in that order. Of the DB, I'd grab Smith if you can. Besides Greenway, the MN lbs aren't to good. He should have lots of opportunities. DL don't hold much value to me. You can find a DL any week of the year. With that being said any if the guys you listed should give you some consistent numbers. A few asst tackle and a few tackles each game. Anything else would be bonus.

With you starting lineup, I'd grab lbs. if possible always play a lb as your flex.

Ha. Rankings! Freudian slip lol

DefiantVitreous said:

BuckysGT said:

Besides Greenway, the MN lbs aren't to good. He should have lots of opportunities.

Sorry BuckyGT, but I think you're missing the boat here.  The MLB in Zimmers defense holds a shit-ton of value.  Don't fall into the trap that Greenway is going to be as good in this new system, as a SLB, as he was in the previous system which treated WLB's and SLB's the same.  Zimmer's defense has a specific SLB and WLB and therefore Greenway's stats are much much more likely to go down this season.  Whoever wins the MLB in Minny is going to be the most valuable player in this system.  Who is that going to be?  Right now it's probably Audie Cole, however, Michael Mauti may be given a shot.  Either way, you can get either of those guys very late and Mauti will go undrafted in many leagues.

I agree with you. The MLB is valuable in that system. You said it yourself, who is that going to be though? Hard to put a value on just a position and not a specific player. You mentioned Cole and Mauti as possible guys, but they haven't really proven anything yet. I've also seen Brinkley was working with the first team. But he's only a 2 down guy so that limits his value as well as the other guy coming in when Brinkley leaves on passing downs. Possibly three guys playing one spot right now limits all their values drastically. Until one guy is named the starter, I don't see value. My point in the above post is, whoever that guy or guys is, isn't a beast like a Kuechly type that will just suck up every tackle. There will be plenty of opportunities for Smith to get his tackles as well as some other bigger plays.

Anthony Barr is the next Greenway.

DefiantVitreous said:

Until a guy is named the starter, you don't see value?  That's the exact opposite of the way it actually is.  Right now the pick is 100% value.  Waiting until someone is named is going to plummet their value since you'll have to draft them 10-15 rounds higher, spend 400% more money in an auction or spend 400% more FAAB to make a claim.  The time to jump on it is now.  Brinkley, is garbage.  Audie Cole was pretty damn good filling in for Henderson last season. 

My advice would be to let someone else overpay for Greenway.  I'd spend a late round pick on Cole and then draft Mauti in the last round (or make a $1 FAAB claim for Mauti) immediately.  If one of them gets the gig, you just waive the other.  Cost you almost nothing and you may have a top 10-15 LB'er on your hands.  Plus, since you have avoided Greenway, you can draft a player with a higher ceiling such as Mychal Kendricks instead. 

My 2 cents.

maybe I missed it, but where was it mentioned this was an auction?

Even if it's not an auction, you want to burn 2 or possibly 3 picks trying to get one specific position on a team? Doesn't make sense to me to burn all those picks trying to get one starting mlb. He might as well just draft a few of the guys he has listed. And worry about picking up flyers when waivers opens.

Never said it was an auction.  Just presenting the different scenarios (draft, auction or FAAB bid) that others may find themselves in.

So then you would waste a draft pick selecting Mauti without having Cole?  Because the chance of Cole winning the MLB spot is probably >75%, Mauti's value is much higher for the Cole owner than anyone else.  And yes, I'd rather waste a last round pick on Mauti if I have Cole, but I would avoid Mauti if I didn't (since Mauti probably won't win the job).  It's a hedge play.  I'd rather protect a potential top 10 LB'ing position rather than draft bench fodder with the last pick.

In any event, I'm not looking towards debating drafting strategies.  I only brought it up because you said that "besides Greenway the MN LB'ers aren't too good", which IMO is not good advice to give out to noobs or vet IDP drafters.  Cheers.

DefiantVitreous said:

Never said it was an auction.  Just presenting the different scenarios (draft, auction or FAAB bid) that others may find themselves in.

So then you would waste a draft pick selecting Mauti without having Cole?  Because the chance of Cole winning the MLB spot is probably >75%, Mauti's value is much higher for the Cole owner than anyone else.  And yes, I'd rather waste a last round pick on Mauti if I have Cole, but I would avoid Mauti if I didn't (since Mauti probably won't win the job).  It's a hedge play.  I'd rather protect a potential top 10 LB'ing position rather than draft bench fodder with the last pick.

In any event, I'm not looking towards debating drafting strategies.  I only brought it up because you said that "besides Greenway the MN LB'ers aren't too good", which IMO is not good advice to give out to noobs or vet IDP drafters.  Cheers.

I disagree that Cole is a 75% favorite to start. Mauti is no slouch. If I'm putting a percentage on it, it would be closer to 55-45% in favor of Cole. Plus I don't think you can up just overlook Brinkley and says he terrible. He will see some time which takes away from the other guy. As far as my Greenway comment, he has been the only consistent lb MN has had. Yes the system change could affect him, but he will still put up decent numbers. He is MN best lb. You can't just throw his past numbers out strictly do to a scheme changes. Also, I would spend a pick on Mauti even if I didn't have Cole as I believe he very well could be the starting lb there. And if he isn't, the owner of Cole will be interested. At the very least I'll be able to flip him to the Cole owner for a draft pick improvement the following year.

Plus looking back at these messages, no one was ever talking about drafting Greenway. He wasn't even in the conversation about being drafted. All I said was MN lbs are not good except for Greenway. This should lead to opportunities for Smith.

Anyway, moving on. And cheers to you too.