What RBs in PPR Dynasty are > Josh Gordon?

PPR, Dynasty, list all RBs you'd rather have than Josh Gordon!

Not sure there is one.

Umm...I'll take shady McCoy. Maybe Charles. Everyone else is beneath for sure right now. That could change with a new qb in cleveland

emurrell17 said:

Umm...I'll take shady McCoy. Maybe Charles. Everyone else is beneath for sure right now. That could change with a new qb in cleveland

Or will it lol He dominates with a rotation of two trashers and one actually pretty solid passer in Hoyer.

Smitty said:

emurrell17 said:

Umm...I'll take shady McCoy. Maybe Charles. Everyone else is beneath for sure right now. That could change with a new qb in cleveland

Or will it lol He dominates with a rotation of two trashers and one actually pretty solid passer in Hoyer.

I'd take McCoy and Charles at this point.

Gordon is a STUD no doubt about it, but I can't help but to wonder if his numbers are so high because he's essentially all they have. They have Cameron, but that's about it. I think it's possible that if CLE becomes a better team overall with a running game and other receiving options, that his numbers will go down some. Not that I don't think he'll be top 5 going forward, but he's been on a historical run this season. It's kind of hard to just assume this will be the norm for him. I haven't researched it yet, but I'd guess that no WR EVER has put up better numbers over a 4 game stretch. Gordon's on pace for 1700-1800yds while only playing 14 games.

branch0095 said:

Smitty said:

emurrell17 said:

Umm...I'll take shady McCoy. Maybe Charles. Everyone else is beneath for sure right now. That could change with a new qb in cleveland

Or will it lol He dominates with a rotation of two trashers and one actually pretty solid passer in Hoyer.

I'd take McCoy and Charles at this point.

Gordon is a STUD no doubt about it, but I can't help but to wonder if his numbers are so high because he's essentially all they have. They have Cameron, but that's about it. I think it's possible that if CLE becomes a better team overall with a running game and other receiving options, that his numbers will go down some. Not that I don't think he'll be top 5 going forward, but he's been on a historical run this season. It's kind of hard to just assume this will be the norm for him. I haven't researched it yet, but I'd guess that no WR EVER has put up better numbers over a 4 game stretch. Gordon's on pace for 1700-1800yds while only playing 14 games.

That's actually kind of what I meant about the new qb too..this may not happen, but I feel like better qbs (take Russell Wilson for example) don't force the ball into their studs. They take what they have and put the ball on the money.

emurrell17 said:

branch0095 said:

Smitty said:

emurrell17 said:

Umm...I'll take shady McCoy. Maybe Charles. Everyone else is beneath for sure right now. That could change with a new qb in cleveland

Or will it lol He dominates with a rotation of two trashers and one actually pretty solid passer in Hoyer.

I'd take McCoy and Charles at this point.

Gordon is a STUD no doubt about it, but I can't help but to wonder if his numbers are so high because he's essentially all they have. They have Cameron, but that's about it. I think it's possible that if CLE becomes a better team overall with a running game and other receiving options, that his numbers will go down some. Not that I don't think he'll be top 5 going forward, but he's been on a historical run this season. It's kind of hard to just assume this will be the norm for him. I haven't researched it yet, but I'd guess that no WR EVER has put up better numbers over a 4 game stretch. Gordon's on pace for 1700-1800yds while only playing 14 games.

That's actually kind of what I meant about the new qb too..this may not happen, but I feel like better qbs (take Russell Wilson for example) don't force the ball into their studs. They take what they have and put the ball on the money.

It's a good observation, and Calvin thrived for many years without a QB until Stafford got under center and healthy.

A flaw in my example is that Russell Wilson doesn't have a stud...but you catch my drift

I'm conservative. I put Gordon in the top 15 (roughly top 5 WR), but I hesitate to put him in my top 10 for next year. Charles, McCoy, and AP are in my top 3 in whatever order. Calvin is probably next. Lynch and Forte are likely next. Graham is up there. I also take the track record of Dez, AJ Green, and Marshall slightly over Gordon (better track record, lower risk).

ump said:

I'm conservative. I put Gordon in the top 15 (roughly top 5 WR), but I hesitate to put him in my top 10 for next year. Charles, McCoy, and AP are in my top 3 in whatever order. Calvin is probably next. Lynch and Forte are likely next. Graham is up there. I also take the track record of Dez, AJ Green, and Marshall slightly over Gordon (better track record, lower risk).

Noting wrong with this stance at all. He is one bad move from a year suspension, so I get that. Plus, WRs thrive and then level for a year, so nothing is crazy at this point.

The thing with Gordon is, do we really feel there's any upside left with him? Are we expecting him to improve to 2k+ in yardage. Realistically this will probably go down as his most productive season ever, and his price reflects that. When players ascend to this kind of value, I pretty much write them off if I don't own them. I'd rather look to the next player to break out.

branch0095 said:

The thing with Gordon is, do we really feel there's any upside left with him? Are we expecting him to improve to 2k+ in yardage. Realistically this will probably go down as his most productive season ever, and his price reflects that. When players ascend to this kind of value, I pretty much write them off if I don't own them. I'd rather look to the next player to break out.

This is a good point, and it makes you often lose a league when you draft a player to be a top 1-3 overall player at his position when there is so much room for him to still be fantastic as a top 5-7 guy. So, @branch0095 is right in that expectations could be so high that he only can deliver if he has the exact kind of season he is having now. If he cools off a bit in the next 3 weeks, maybe he levels more around 12-14 which allows for some upside at least. But, if he goes nuts 1-2 more games, he could be a tough investment at 1.08 or 1.07 next year.

branch0095 said:

The thing with Gordon is, do we really feel there's any upside left with him? Are we expecting him to improve to 2k+ in yardage. Realistically this will probably go down as his most productive season ever, and his price reflects that. When players ascend to this kind of value, I pretty much write them off if I don't own them. I'd rather look to the next player to break out.

Excellent points again Branch. With that said would you trade Gordon for say Julio, Dez or AJG? Straight up.

I think branch has some good points. I still like all of those guys over gordon

emurrell17 said:

I think branch has some good points. I still like all of those guys over gordon

Plus, look at Dez and AJG right now. Amazing WRs, they still feel worthy of top 9-12 overall picks heading into next year, even if they have been hot and cold... Gordon should probably fall at least the one slot below those guys and not above them, because even with years where they haven't quite earned 1.06-1.08 type value, still being ranked that high for me suggests I know they are rock solid. Gordon could get there, he is so extremely talented, but I'm not sure I like him as my No. 1 player unless I have bookend, or close to bookend, picks. Gordon and AJ Green, or Gordon and Julio, or Gordon and Dez... I love those starts next year, sure, so I reach for the receiver I have to reach for based on ADPs if i know a Julio or AJG could fall... same goes for a few RBs.

Wutthecrapman said:

branch0095 said:

The thing with Gordon is, do we really feel there's any upside left with him? Are we expecting him to improve to 2k+ in yardage. Realistically this will probably go down as his most productive season ever, and his price reflects that. When players ascend to this kind of value, I pretty much write them off if I don't own them. I'd rather look to the next player to break out.

Excellent points again Branch. With that said would you trade Gordon for say Julio, Dez or AJG? Straight up.

I'd take AJG over Gordon with no hesitation. With Dez/Julio it's much closer, due to Julio's injuries and the fact that Dez disappears too much and is too inconsistent. I think the way Julio started this season is something we can't ignore. This was his 1st chance to be the true #1 target in ATL and he excelled. I think if Julio had stayed healthy I would have him at #2 behind Calvin. Honestly, the only one I'd consider taking Gordon over is Dez, and even then it would be tough. It would be one of those situations that whether I owned Gordon or Dez, I wouldn't have any reason to trade for the other unless I was getting something extra in return.

I agree with branch. But for me it's
Calvin/Julio

Ajg
Gordon/dez

branch0095 said:

Wutthecrapman said:

branch0095 said:

The thing with Gordon is, do we really feel there's any upside left with him? Are we expecting him to improve to 2k+ in yardage. Realistically this will probably go down as his most productive season ever, and his price reflects that. When players ascend to this kind of value, I pretty much write them off if I don't own them. I'd rather look to the next player to break out.

Excellent points again Branch. With that said would you trade Gordon for say Julio, Dez or AJG? Straight up.

I'd take AJG over Gordon with no hesitation. With Dez/Julio it's much closer, due to Julio's injuries and the fact that Dez disappears too much and is too inconsistent. I think the way Julio started this season is something we can't ignore. This was his 1st chance to be the true #1 target in ATL and he excelled. I think if Julio had stayed healthy I would have him at #2 behind Calvin. Honestly, the only one I'd consider taking Gordon over is Dez, and even then it would be tough. It would be one of those situations that whether I owned Gordon or Dez, I wouldn't have any reason to trade for the other unless I was getting something extra in return.

Yeah, Dez feels more like Gordon than any of Calvin/AJG/Julio do. Meaning, top 2-3 one year, could face plant the next. Could being the keyword. Both Dez and Gordon are top 2-4WR capable during any given season, clearly, I'm not arguing lack of talent, but something makes me cautious to expect even top 3-5, and more like top 5-8WR numbers then you can still get your investment dolloars back even if he slightly disappoints to a 7-8 type WR. But draft him as a 2-3, no way I can. Yet. Maybe Weeks 15, 16 and 17 change my mind :)

I'm going to be faced with a tough decision next year in my keeper league, where I currently own Calvin, Dez, Gordon and Jimmy Graham, but can only keep 3.

tmoney said:

I'm going to be faced with a tough decision next year in my keeper league, where I currently own Calvin, Dez, Gordon and Jimmy Graham, but can only keep 3.

Yeah, that's rough. Trade one and move your draft picks up like mad!

Smitty said:

tmoney said:

I'm going to be faced with a tough decision next year in my keeper league, where I currently own Calvin, Dez, Gordon and Jimmy Graham, but can only keep 3.

Yeah, that's rough. Trade one and move your draft picks up like mad!

Unfortunately, the commish is stuck in the stone-age and we can only trade keepers during the offseason. I tried a few years back to get this changed, but couldn't get enough people to vote on it.

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