CJ Spiller + Fred Jackson or Ben Tate + Vincent Jackson (ppr, pure dynasty)

Which side?

What are everyone's thoughts on the Tate/VJax side?

I sure hope Tate lands somewhere strong. I am not sold on NY, but maybe they change things around the run. I just feel like the Jets are where players go to get no action.

Id want Spiller.

Spiller/FJax for me. I like Tate but I have this bad feeling he lands in a bad spot (NYJ, lol) or just can't shake that injury bug that's bitten him lately. We shall see but I am much higher on Spiller than most probably.

I'm torn on it. Honestly. I think Tate is intriguing all own his own, and VJax can outscore Spiller, or at least hang with him, if Spiller goes nuts.

I just really think this is a great dilution of talent while still having a shot at getting equal play out of any one of the players vs the one (spiller). Meaning, either player (tate or vjax) could be the best player in the deal. "Could" being the keyword, but I love the upside and risk dilution here.

@jrmrrt @whos_ur_doggie

In Cleveland, is Tate near as valuable as Spiller all by himself, though? I think so...

I like Tate much more in Cleveland than in NYJ, that's for sure. But Tate just seems to get banged up a bit more lately and that concerns me. I know Spiller dealt with the dreaded high ankle sprain last season but still actually produced decent numbers for being injured most of the season. I can't really say the same about Tate playing injured. I own Tate in quite a few leagues and was planning to try and sell high once he signs somewhere. I could only imagine his value if he signs in CLE.

Smitty said:

I'm torn on it. Honestly. I think Tate is intriguing all own his own, and VJax can outscore Spiller, or at least hang with him, if Spiller goes nuts.

I just really think this is a great dilution of talent while still having a shot at getting equal play out of any one of the players vs the one (spiller). Meaning, either player (tate or vjax) could be the best player in the deal. "Could" being the keyword, but I love the upside and risk dilution here.

V Jax can outscore Spiller but this is a question of value at a position for me. Productive RBs are hard to find...even harder to find one that could produce elite numbers potentially. Tate without a clear home is not enough for me to move a guy like Spiller for a WR like V Jax. I understand the logic though in a later point move and pick up Tate on the side.

This just seems like the type of story where we expect a player to go somewhere and then end up some where weird. I remember bush in oak and im not saying it was the same hype as tates but then he signed with a team I didn't see coming like chicago. I can see tate signing with a team like that.

dunlap13 said:

This just seems like the type of story where we expect a player to go somewhere and then end up some where weird. I remember bush in oak and im not saying it was the same hype as tates but then he signed with a team I didn't see coming like chicago. I can see tate signing with a team like that.

Or JStew/DWill

Anyway - I like the Tate - VJack side because you are getting 2 starters over one - you won't be rolling out Fred and Spiller in your line ups, most, weeks but it is a very good possibility you start Tate and VJack on a weekly basis...owning Spiller and Fred will drive you nuts on who to start each week - I know I would always pick the wrong one, but maybe you are luckier/smarter/etc than I

boobam13 said:

dunlap13 said:

This just seems like the type of story where we expect a player to go somewhere and then end up some where weird. I remember bush in oak and im not saying it was the same hype as tates but then he signed with a team I didn't see coming like chicago. I can see tate signing with a team like that.

Or JStew/DWill

Anyway - I like the Tate - VJack side because you are getting 2 starters over one -

If this is how we determine trades then we would never get the best player in a deal. 8 out of 10 times I think the side getting the best player wins the deal.

JRMRRT said:

boobam13 said:

dunlap13 said:

This just seems like the type of story where we expect a player to go somewhere and then end up some where weird. I remember bush in oak and im not saying it was the same hype as tates but then he signed with a team I didn't see coming like chicago. I can see tate signing with a team like that.

Or JStew/DWill

Anyway - I like the Tate - VJack side because you are getting 2 starters over one -

If this is how we determine trades then we would never get the best player in a deal. 8 out of 10 times I think the side getting the best player wins the deal.

Maybe, but certain players I worry about and want to trade them, Spiller being one. i won't deal him cheap, or sell low (I don't consider this low)... but, Spiller feels more risky to me. I loved him, still think he is a monster talent, but BUF is kinda scary right now in the area of effectiveness, not running a lot of 3 and outs.. I think Tate alone, or VJax alone, could outscore Spiller. Would I draft either higher, no, but that doesn't mean I don't see one, or both, as better scorers. So, to me, I feel this trade might give me two Spiller type outputs and I win big time. Worst case for me, Tate fails and VJax still hangs with Spiller, or outscores him. And, I can essentially call this player my flex in a way, or start both Tate and VJax.

I feel Spiller has top 5-10RB upside still, but his questionable situation and offense make him just as risky as Tate IMO, and VJax is rock solid.

I pulled the trigger. I am very pleased, but love the comments and both arguments. Great takes.

@ JRMRRT I took that into consideration. I basically looked at this as spiller vs tate and vjax. I like tate a lot. But I agree with doggie with tate getting banged up. He has been hurt every year. I voted spiller fjax but honestly I think this is fjax last year and I dont even think he plays a lot this year due to injury. Ill say it now. He'll get a knee injury.

dunlap13 said:

@ JRMRRT I took that into consideration. I basically looked at this as spiller vs tate and vjax. I like tate a lot. But I agree with doggie with tate getting banged up. He has been hurt every year. I voted spiller fjax but honestly I think this is fjax last year and I dont even think he plays a lot this year due to injury. Ill say it now. He'll get a knee injury.

I was just talking about the 2 starter for 1 statement. Most of the time I like the side with only 1 starter because that is the more elite player.

@Smitty...I hear you. Spiller has risk but V Jax doesnt do much for me. Hes just not a player I love. Id much rather take on Spillers risk if hes the WR I can get for him. Coming off last year the only way to sell Spiller is to sell him cheap. I actually think this is pretty cheap too.

JRMRRT said:

boobam13 said:

dunlap13 said:

This just seems like the type of story where we expect a player to go somewhere and then end up some where weird. I remember bush in oak and im not saying it was the same hype as tates but then he signed with a team I didn't see coming like chicago. I can see tate signing with a team like that.

Or JStew/DWill

Anyway - I like the Tate - VJack side because you are getting 2 starters over one -

If this is how we determine trades then we would never get the best player in a deal. 8 out of 10 times I think the side getting the best player wins the deal.

Of course not, but the fact that Spiller has had 1 good year and VJack has been a very consistent scorer as a WR and the fact that Tate can put up equal numbers, in this case, gives me to starters...maybe Spiller isn't the best player in the trade???

I have been seeing many mocks where Buffalo takes a RB to replace Jackson when he is done, I know they are just mocks but maybe it is a sign that the coaching staff in Buffalo do not see Spiller as an every down back? Just saying....

It wont matter if they take another RB or if F Jax plays. If Spiller is healthy even in a time share he going for 1200/6 with 50+ catches. He had 927 yards and 33 catches last year and had a nasty high ankle sprain most of the season.

Just as a pressed submit and I saw my earlier comment on JStew, Spiller has a lot of JStew similarities

1- all the talent in the world - no one is questioning that

2 - gonna be the guy "next" year

3 - has that other older guy that is going to be done

4 - just has that little injury holding him back

maybe Spiller's story plays out like Stewart's

5 - both their last names start with "S"

@boombam13 they have to take another back. Fjax is 33 or so and they released choice. Ive seen quite a few of mocks them landing andre williams.

boobam13 said:

JRMRRT said:

boobam13 said:

dunlap13 said:

This just seems like the type of story where we expect a player to go somewhere and then end up some where weird. I remember bush in oak and im not saying it was the same hype as tates but then he signed with a team I didn't see coming like chicago. I can see tate signing with a team like that.

Or JStew/DWill

Anyway - I like the Tate - VJack side because you are getting 2 starters over one -

If this is how we determine trades then we would never get the best player in a deal. 8 out of 10 times I think the side getting the best player wins the deal.

Of course not, but the fact that Spiller has had 1 good year and VJack has been a very consistent scorer as a WR and the fact that Tate can put up equal numbers, in this case, gives me to starters...maybe Spiller isn't the best player in the trade???

I have been seeing many mocks where Buffalo takes a RB to replace Jackson when he is done, I know they are just mocks but maybe it is a sign that the coaching staff in Buffalo do not see Spiller as an every down back? Just saying....

As big of a Spiller supporter as I've been, honestly, I'm not so sure he is the most capable (fantasy wise, big picture) player in the trade. Talent-wise, sure, but McFadden is a BEAST of a talent, but it just wont happen... injuries, situation, McFadden is a tough guy to ever trust. I am kind of getting the feeling that if BUF fails to use him (wouldn't be Spiller's fault), or if Spiller gets hurt, he kind of goes the McFadden route, and a year from now this will be a NO BRAINER.

I hear the Spiller arguments, I was his biggest supporter heading into his breakout year, but Tate and VJax feel solid.

Again, good debate.

The best part is getting new players, as i exhausted all trade avenues with my roster... no one wanted Spiller at anything close to Tate/VJax value.

How much do you guys value Spiller over the 1.01, or do you?

Also, who would trade VJax and Brady for the 1.01?

My line-up:

QB: Nick Foles (Brady)

RB: Zach Stacy

RB: Ben Tate/Ray Rice

WR1: AJ Green

WR2: Julio Jones

Flex: Vincent Jackson

I'm thinking of moving VJax/Brady for one better flex, or Brady and Rice or Brady and Tate for one better RB2. Ideas, thoughts? Again, pure dynasty, PPR, not huge interest in Brady thus far, and only 2-3 teams in somewhat of a need..

Id trade Brady/V Jax for Watkins if I had Foles too.

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