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Swampies said:

Smitty said:

I hear what you guys are saying, but it's not just because I doubt Ryan a bit, it's more to do having other QBs performing better, not that Ryan is gonna just tank. I agree it's arguable for sure, but look at the QBs from

(in no particular order)

7. Stafford

8. Cam

9. Romo

10. Rivers

11. RG3

12. Wilson

13. Kaep

Can someone really suggest all those QBs aren't capable of being better than Ryan? Kaep maybe, maybe not, it's arguable. Hoyer is the only one I can see most not agree within at 14, but I like him there. Big upside.

It's a good debate, but like I said, easily debatable.

funny how AJG and Julio the top two WR's have QB's that are not top 10 QB's which says a lot on who's carrying who talent wise!

Sure does. It also makes you wonder how good they could be with elite passers. Calvin definitely took a big step once Stafford came along, eh?

Or maybe it's the other way around & Ryan makes the wr's look pretty good.

TheHuddle said:

Or maybe it's the other way around & Ryan makes the wr's look pretty good.

Um, no. ;) Julio is better than he looks with Ryan at QB. He'd be a 20TD guy with Stafford or Aaron Rodgers.

No doubt Julio is a monster capable of boosting any qbs numbers, but gimmie a break here. You're ranking of McCown and Hoyer over Ryan is CRIMINAL. Ryan put up 4,500 last yr with Harry Douglas as his main WR. Guy never even had 40 catches or 500 yds in a season before. Turned him into a 85/1000 guy. That's Brady esque. He had Julio for only 5 games and had Roddy limping around out there as a decoy for the first 12. Not to mention a horrible o-line and no RB. If Roddy and Julio were healthy last year, like they'll be this yr, you can expect him to finish closer to 5,000. You'll be eating crow on this one.

People buying into the Hoyer is going to start next year makes me laugh.. Wish I owned him so I could sell.

Throw in people thinking McCown is a good QB there too.

donvaughn said:

No doubt Julio is a monster capable of boosting any qbs numbers, but gimmie a break here. You're ranking of McCown and Hoyer over Ryan is CRIMINAL. Ryan put up 4,500 last yr with Harry Douglas as his main WR. Guy never even had 40 catches or 500 yds in a season before. Turned him into a 85/1000 guy. That's Brady esque. He had Julio for only 5 games and had Roddy limping around out there as a decoy for the first 12. Not to mention a horrible o-line and no RB. If Roddy and Julio were healthy last year, like they'll be this yr, you can expect him to finish closer to 5,000. You'll be eating crow on this one.

I guess my question still is, who is ridiculously out of place ? Honestly? Hoyer is a breakout candidate, you can't suggest he doesn't have a right to be in top 15QB convos... he was a monster before getting hurt. And, again, I am not suggesting Ryan can't be near the top 8-12, he could be No. 8... keep in mind the QBs in the 8-15 range can all be real, real close in scoring. I get you wanting him even 8th, I have no argument against that. It's pretty hard to argue against all these guys below + Hoyer as be as capable as Ryan in 2014 (considered not to have an elite arm, has Roddy White possibly dropping of big-time, yes gets Julio back but loses White and Gonzo, it's not crazy talk my friend, it's also not something I'll eat crow on because I'm telling you it's arguable and 8-15 are neck and neck. lol

7. Stafford

8. Cam

9. Romo

10. Rivers

11. RG3

12. Wilson

13. Kaep

Hoyer looked good, compared to Brandon Weeden, but then again who wouldn't. I'm sure that had nothing to do with Gordon. Veteran journeymen qbs or career backups seldom have a Kurt Warner carter left in them. I'm sure Marc Trestman and the dynamic duo in CHI had nothing to do with McCowns succes either. With all due respect, they could both surprise and have decent starting seasons but calling them over Ryan really is a joke, I mean bold.

Agree to disagree I guess. To me it is a ridiculous comparison

Hmm. I respect opinions, but the ridiculous stuff to me is only when others call anyone's prediction ridiculous. I just can't believe my Matt Ryan placement is getting the year's first "ridiculous" comments ;) usually it's a bigger name when this yearly comment by someone comes out.

it's not ridiculous, it's fantasy, full of, yes busts like Hoyer could be, or Lamar Miller was, but it's also full of Josh Gordons, Dez Bryants and saying Hoyer CANNOT have even a chance to be great is the part I don't agree with. There is injury predictions factored into projections, aging, loss of players on the roster, bad coaching.

Again, you will never hear me say someone has ridiculous predictions, because anything can happen, and you should know by now I put logic that I believe in I to my predictions... And if you think my Ryan placement isn't cooked up with logic that makes sense to me, I can't help ya get through that.

Predicting a duplicate like 13-15 place season for a QB like Ryan is ridiculous? I just don't get it. You liking him in the top 5 isn't ridiculously, so why is thinking he could produce the same numbers this year as last year all that crazy.. Vs just being an opinion you disagree with? Disagree, sure, I'm all for that, but Hoyer over Ryan a joke? Hmm

Players emerge all the time.

I certainly think it's bolder than my brain can imagine and I'm happy to explain why that it is based on the facts, but point taken. Fair enough no disrespect. Apologies for calling your predictions ridicuous. I'm sure you've made many of those calls in the past that no one saw coming that turned into gold. Taking a bold stance on players is why I sought out your services. Little hypocritical of me to fault them now.

The ridiculous comments aren't based on Ryan's placement so much as I think he could fall anywhere in the 7-14 range, but everything to do with the placement of Hoyer above him.

donvaughn said:

I certainly think it's bolder than my brain can imagine and I'm happy to explain why that it is based on the facts, but point taken. Fair enough no disrespect. Apologies for calling your predictions ridicuous. I'm sure you've made many of those calls in the past that no one saw coming that turned into gold. Taking a bold stance on players is why I sought out your services. Little hypocritical of me to fault them now.

Thanks big man. I have thick skin, but always defend people having a take, bold, extremely bold, it's all personal preference. I miss some big calls with my style, but you won't land Fosters, Dez Bryants, Gordons following safe and delicate advice givers. And that's fine if some like conservative advice givers... We will miss some from time to time, and Trent Richardson, Lamar Miller and David Wilson helped make up one of my biggest missed years ever, but thats one year, I went a good 7-8 straight years landing Foster, Cruz, Cam, jimmy Graham, Dez, Gordon, McCoy (when he was a 3-4 rounder)... (Listen to the 2010 1060am interview on Foster and McCoy) Those were all "ridiculous" predictions @donvaughn at the time... Out there! Outer space type stuff. I swing, calculated like, for the fences with every move I make. I will strike out, I won't run from that, but I'm gonna deliver Fosters along the way.

At least you got a good quote if you nail that one lol

Another thing to consider with Matt Ryan too is what has Atlanta done to fix their running game, Oline issues and weapons for their offense in the off season? Gonzo is gone, SJax is still the main rb(for now) and I don't recall any major signings to help their O line...

I think Jennings is a bit low, especially since he looks to be in line for the starting job in NY.

Unless your banking on Giants drafting another RB.

i like the rankings spot on for me.. Any Qb from 7 to 15 could change spots any given year, as has been mention Ryna takes a hit unless they improve that running game and o-line and get a replacement for Gonzo..

Troy_Polamalyourass said:

Dynasty

A Morris is rather high at #9 in PPR, IMO

I'm biased, as I see Crabtree as a #8-10 WR, but I definitely see him above D Jax

If RG3 is ranked so high, why is Garcon so low?

It's sad to see so many of your upside players of last year (L Miller, D Wilson, TY Hilton, RG3, S Vereen) ranked so low...

Here's to 2014 being a complete 180....I have no doubt...

What did I do to be ignored, Smitty?

Troy_Polamalyourass said:

Troy_Polamalyourass said:

Dynasty

A Morris is rather high at #9 in PPR, IMO

I'm biased, as I see Crabtree as a #8-10 WR, but I definitely see him above D Jax

If RG3 is ranked so high, why is Garcon so low?

It's sad to see so many of your upside players of last year (L Miller, D Wilson, TY Hilton, RG3, S Vereen) ranked so low...

Here's to 2014 being a complete 180....I have no doubt...

What did I do to be ignored, Smitty?

Sorry I missed your comment.

Garcon I worry injury, but still trust RG3.

Alfred Morris I agree, he needs a bump down at least a couple spots!!!

Crabs I don't trust, but super talented.

Morris was like the 20th scoring RB in PPR. Caught under 10 balls.

JRMRRT said:

Morris was like the 20th scoring RB in PPR. Caught under 10 balls.

Right, I have him way too high, it's a great catch

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