Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!

Sign In Apply for Membership

In this Discussion

  • bddavidson April 20
  • BuckysGT April 20
  • footballjunkie April 20
  • hawk12 April 20
  • Iceman April 20
  • paulg002 April 20
  • Smitty April 20
  • Wutthecrapman April 20

Top Posters

  • bddavidson 13226
  • Whos_Ur_Doggie 13111
  • JRMRRT 12596
  • Wutthecrapman 9983
  • LukeB5301 8271
  • BuckysGT 8056
  • Smitty 7861
  • garyzab 7116
  • TBL 4970
  • fontaines 4909
  • branch0095 4908

Who's Online (8)

  • bddavidson 7:16AM
  • InfamousD 7:16AM
  • N_Diddy 7:16AM
  • popo24 7:17AM
  • ravenlunatics 7:18AM
  • tmoney 7:18AM
  • ump 7:17AM
  • wh0urdady 7:18AM
free fantasy football draftcalc access
Homepage
| Ranks | Projections | Articles | Sims | Calcs | Upside Board | FAQs | Forums - [ Start A New Discussion ]
Need a forum Invite?
Lattimore
  • N_Diddy
    Posts: 1,666
    Ok ... so I have him in one league ... so was just browsing youtube on him ... saw this video ... I know Smitty has him as a gem ... but I'm buying where I can right now, and he shouldn't cost much (especially if he's a throw in on a bigger deal).... don't love the knees ... but with modern medicine, I think it's worth the risk.  Great kid, great character, great work ethic .... just hoping he succeeds b/c he seems like the type of person (like AP) that you want to be successful.  
    To the highlights ... exceptional vision ... shiftiness ... not top end speed, but his vision/quicks makes up for it.  Hoping he makes a comeback on the 49ers - could be elite if healthy.


  • SmittySmitty April 19
    Posts: 7,861
    Yeah, he is a big-time stud candidate for the future. SF is the perfect place to land, too, as he has been able to learn behind Gore, really get healthy, and the offense will be designed for success for the starting rusher. It's just ideal for such a comeback. Situation means a lot. I know some disagree, but let's get real, if your situation sucks and your coaches give you no support (think Lamar Miller), it can destroy your future as a rusher (or any position). Rushers especially need situation, as Priest Holmes wouldn't have been close to the Priest Holmes we remember had he landed anywhere but KC. Foster, same thing. Even if we pretend to know that another coach would have given Foster a shot, the offense was built for him to walk 10+ TDs into the end zone each season. Not taking away anything from Holmes and Foster, situation is all part of the package... just saying that SF could be ideal for this comeback and I may not be high on Lattimore elsewhere because I might fear he wouldn't get his fair shot, a shot built around him. SF is planning on him and has confidence in him. That's awesome of SF. Smart of SF.
    - Smitty | Owner/Founder
  • paulg002paulg002 April 19
    Posts: 138
    Knees usually don't recuperate 100% from that type of injury. So I like him as l don't have too pay much.
  • SmittySmitty April 19
    Posts: 7,861
    paulg002 said:

    Knees usually don't recuperate 100% from that type of injury. So I like him as l don't have too pay much.



    Well, they can if the player is young enough. Granted, Lattimore had more than just an ACL tear, but it's interesting info behind age and ACL tears:





    Have you always wondered how likely it is for a running back to return to Top 10 Running Back Form after an ACL tear? The data linked to this article will finally answer all of those ACL-related questions!

    ACL tears are a serious matter for fantasy football running back success. While the data below shows that it is completely possible for runners to rebound after ACL tears, there are several factors that the savvy owner should be aware of. Comparing all seasons of RBs pre-ACL injury and a group of RBs who have never had ACL tears, you find that the fantasy success rate of these RBs is almost identical among the 88 total seasons studied. The rate of top-10 finishes among both groups is about 55%, while the top-20 finish rate among both groups is about 75-80%. This suggests we are studying and comparing relatively equal RB skill levels. The data shows that seasons during or post ACL injury, fantasy success rates go down dramatically. With a comparable set of 69 total “post-injury” seasons, the rate of top-10 fantasy finishes drops to only 28% while the rate of top-20 finishes drops to 49%. The effect of ACL injuries for RBs should not be ignored.

    top 10 RB success after an ACL tear

    Age Matters



    Another matter of importance is the age in which the injury occurred. Among the group studied, Edgerrin James was the only RB who experienced consistent post ACL tear success after an ACL injury sustained in the NFL. At time of his injury, Edge was only 23 years old.

    Even more interesting, however, is that:

    There was only ONE top-10 fantasy finish among RBs who tore an ACL after the age of 23, and that one top-10 finish was Adrian Peterson’s 2011 season, as he had enough yardage to stick to the top-10 during his injury season.
    Out of the 16 other post-ACL seasons by RBs who tore their ACL after the age of 23, there were ZERO top-10 fantasy finishes.
    Only two of those 16 seasons resulted in 1,000 total rushing yards (Deuce McAllister and Jamal Anderson), although, neither season was good enough for top-10 fantasy performance.

    Conclusion



    While the group studied obviously is not large enough to make a definitive statement, based on the findings, there is good news and bad news to take from this report. Many fantasy owners worry about collegiate injury history when drafting rookies…

    College ACL Tears Can Absolutely Be Overcome



    ACL tears suffered in college do not appear to have a debilitating effect on NFL success, and owners should not ignore players like Frank Gore or Willis McGahee in their rookie drafts, although, they should understand inconsistent play will result in a possible “boom or bust” dynasty player from season to season.

    Did You Know?

    Holy Garrison Hearst !

    Note: Garrison Hearst tore his ACL way before the NFL, back in 1991, and never knew it; due to league-driven pressures, Hearst had surgery to repair the ACL prior to entering the NFL.


    ACL Tears After 23: Approach With Extreme Caution!



    On the flip side, ACL tears suffered after the age of 23 should be approached with extreme caution, regardless of prior success. As the body ages, its ability to heal itself and recover from serious injury to play at the elite athletic levels required in the NFL drops dramatically. The fact that these RBs who sustain injury late in their careers have trouble putting together elite fantasy seasons should temper fantasy owners’ expectations. There are still good buy-low opportunities for fantasy owners who can tolerate high levels of risk/reward, however these RBs should not be drafted as cornerstone players for a franchise, especially during dynasty start-ups.

    More Runners To Study Moving Forward

    In 2012, we will get to see these theories put to test. Adrian Peterson and Jamaal Charles sustained injuries after the age of 23 and will have to prove their return to elite performance before owners should justify giving 2nd and 3rd round dynasty start-up value. During dynasty start-ups, savvy owners should consider overall value before diving into RBs coming off injuries; fully understand the risk involved with all injuries before drafting!
    - Smitty | Owner/Founder
  • SmittySmitty April 19
    Posts: 7,861

    Clearly AP and Charles changed the trend a bit, but those are exceptions to the rule

    - Smitty | Owner/Founder
  • paulg002paulg002 April 20
    Posts: 138
    Great points Smitty, I shouldn't overlook him just for his injury.
  • SmittySmitty April 20
    Posts: 7,861
    paulg002 said:

    Great points Smitty, I shouldn't overlook him just for his injury.



    Well, to your point, though, his injury was far worse than ACL. But, youth is a HUGE factor. Gore and gang, most don't even know he tore his ACL. I just think the situation is ideal for Lattimore, he has healed more than anyone has recently that will get thrusted into a starting role. Most victims of acl injuries rush back too soon in fear of their job not being there. This is the one scenario that is so very, very different.  Big risk, sure if the cost is great, but Lattimore is not RB2 type material yet in most people's eyes, so trading for him at value near flex isn't crazy. 

    Is anyone seeing Lattimore ranked/valued higher than high-flex?
    - Smitty | Owner/Founder
  • BuckysGT April 20
    Posts: 8,056
    I started asking one owner about Lattimore. His first response was "he has huge upside. If I thought about moving him to you, we would have to start talking about Ball being in the deal as well." I own Ball, so I quickly moved on. I think Lattimore will have to be a throw in piece in a much bigger deal to get him. Owners drafted him knowing they would have to wait. He's kind of like C. Michael, owners aren't moving them unless they are getting top value. If they aren't, they will wait to see what happens.
  • footballjunkie April 20
    Posts: 2,887
    Two knee blow-outs has to do something g to his psych.

    The mental game is tricky and can be harder to overcome than the physical game.
  • bddavidsonbddavidson April 20
    Posts: 13,226
    if you guys find lattimore being a thrown in lets us know ..I havent seen that at all.
    DC Nation Moderator
  • Iceman April 20
    Posts: 596
    bddavidson said:

    if you guys find lattimore being a thrown in lets us know ..I havent seen that at all.



    Nor have I, to Bucky's point, those who drafted him have high expectations, if you don't blow them away they are holding at this point.
  • hawk12hawk12 April 20
    Posts: 439
    Are you guys all aware that Gore blew both his ACLs while in college also?? Youth helps so much with recovery and less loss of agility.
    I really love Lattimore as a dynasty player, situation, offense, surrounded by talent and youth on the team, great Oline. What else do you need?? Outstanding health for Latt and he'd be talked about like AP IMO
  • Wutthecrapman April 20
    Posts: 9,983
    footballjunkie said:

    Two knee blow-outs has to do something g to his psych.

    The mental game is tricky and can be harder to overcome than the physical game.



    With that being said. I say...

    BUY! BUY! BUY!

    "I'm like birth control. You have to believe in me. Like birth control, 99.9 percent of the time I'm going to come through for you." - David Wilson
    DC Nation Forum Moderator
Add a Comment