Rodgers not even close

SweetLew said:

Lol I remember when Matt Flynn threw for 6tds in 1 game...How'd he turn out?

This

popo24 said:

I think you have a far better sample size from Foles than you did Flynn. 27:2 ratio can't be overlooked.

Exactly. 11 games is a grip of games in a highly-complicated, highly-active Chip Kelly offense. You can't fake it to make it for 11 games, nor do you win Pro Bowl MVP and impress other receivers all over the place. The dude is money. He is smart, and he plays in an offense that has: LeSean McCoy, Darren Sproles, Zach Ertz, Jeremy Maclin, Riley Cooper and a potential rookie on the way from an outstanding rookie WR class. The loss of DJax isn't good, sure, but I don't think it's a big dent at all. A healthy Maclin (sure, let's see for how long) and Sproles can replace DJax, not mention Ertz will step up. I can't wait. Watch out NFC East.

branch0095 said:

Foles looks like he's going to be a very good QB, but the guy hasn't even played a season yet. This isn't even a question, give me Rodgers.

As far as the value of Foles against Rodgers? In many cases, the value isn't even there anymore. Many are VERY high on Foles. I've done 2 startups this offseason, and Foles has come off the board as QB4 and QB5. At those prices, there's way too much risk when compared to Rodgers. If I'm going to invest QB4-5 value, I'd much rather pay a little more and invest QB1-3 value in Rodgers(I say 1-3 because I've seen both Luck/Cam be drafted before Rodgers in certain instances) and sleep like a baby. I like Foles a lot in the QB9-12 range, but as a top 4-5 QB, his upside is already cooked into his price.

I'm still actually still loving the QB4-5 value, as that's third round at best in most cases... He can be fantasy football's top scorer, that's still HUGE ceiling. It was bigger when he was a 4th and 5th rounder, sure, but anytime you can get a top 1-3QB in the 3rd round, or a guy that can outscore all other fantasy players, that's crazy-good.

branch0095 said:

Smitty said:

branch0095 said:

Foles looks like he's going to be a very good QB, but the guy hasn't even played a season yet. This isn't even a question, give me Rodgers.

As far as the value of Foles against Rodgers? In many cases, the value isn't even there anymore. Many are VERY high on Foles. I've done 2 startups this offseason, and Foles has come off the board as QB4 and QB5. At those prices, there's way too much risk when compared to Rodgers. If I'm going to invest QB4-5 value, I'd much rather pay a little more and invest QB1-3 value in Rodgers(I say 1-3 because I've seen both Luck/Cam be drafted before Rodgers in certain instances) and sleep like a baby. I like Foles a lot in the QB9-12 range, but as a top 4-5 QB, his upside is already cooked into his price.

I'm still actually still loving the QB4-5 value, as that's third round at best in most cases... He can be fantasy football's top scorer, that's still HUGE ceiling. It was bigger when he was a 4th and 5th rounder, sure, but anytime you can get a top 1-3QB in the 3rd round, or a guy that can outscore all other fantasy players, that's crazy-good.

As for not having enough sample to look at, I hear you, and don't blame you for wanting more. But, keep in mind I'm still promoting that i only buy low and draft low, and 3rd is still low to me. So, I quietly like Foles as much as Rodgers, or anyone, but I sure as heck won't be drafting or trading for him at that value. But, forced to predict end of year stats, Foles and Rodgers are neck and neck. 

Great debate, good points by all!

I understand, if he's your guy than there's nothing wrong with it. Part of my issue is just investing high value in ANY QB in a 1QB league. More times than not, it's just lost value (at least in a startup). As far as Foles in the 3rd round still being a bit of a value, that's where we disagree. Rodgers has commonly been going in the early 3rd in 1QB 12 team leagues. So Foles in the 3rd is pretty much an equal price tag to Rodgers. 

I should state that seeing Rodgers in the early 3rd is happening in 4pt passing TD leagues. I'm sure he goes in the mid 2nd in 6pt passing TD leagues, so in that case Foles is a bit cheaper in the 3rd round.

Yeah, but in those cases, where Rodgers is a 3rd, then since Foles is 2-3 QBs later, he is a 4th rounder in that scenario.

EverydownBack said:

Rogers for sure- Nelson alone is twice good as any WR Foles has to throw to

Great QBs can produce without great WRs. They make others around them better. Brady is a perfect example. Maclin, Cooper, Ertz and McCoy will be plenty good for Foles to be a stud.

fontaines said:

i voted Foles.  Rodger's production has tapered off last few years.  i don't trust him to put up a 5 td game with ease like he used to.  

Foles has alot to prove.  i can see taking that gamble in fantasy. I don't consider Rodgers a "difference maker" anymore, but he's a top 5 qb for sure

rodgers needs a true #1 wr ..

EverydownBack said:

I hear that JR but not sure if I would classify Foles as a "great QB". Kevin Kolb was heavily touted going into the 2010 season as the new starter. His season Was derailed by injury but since then he has proven that he'll never be much of a NFL QB.

Looked great to me when I watched him. 

Is "Pro Bowl MVP" supposed to mean something?

I'm a huge Philly fan, and the guy on this forum that told you all to watch out for Foles way back before last years training camp was more than two weeks in... on a thread asking for the next deep sleeper QB
  I heard things from the practice field 'eyes' (yes I have friends that go to practice and watch), I also know and work with former Eagles that have ears on the ground and get locker room access - so the scoop was that Foles was gonna be the starter and was Chip's guy.

Yet after all the inside info, none of them are saying Foles is the next Brees like you guys are touting around here.  Slow your role a bit. 
Foles will be a very good NFL QB, and Chip's system puts up points and runs lots of plays = lots of opportunity for FF players; but he's going to come down to earth this year.  Teams, more specifically D coordinators have a full year of tape on Chip's system / plays / favorite calls in situations and this is a league of adjustments.... Foles will come back to earth, like all hot QB mentioned above have done.

Believing Foles is an elite QB means you also believe he has the offensive system, and such a good coach that he can adjust to D adjsutments....  Do you really believe in Chip?
I like Chip, but I'm not sold on him being e great NFL coach  just yet.
I hear Chip still has over half of his system to install, and 2/3 of his playbook has not been opened yet.  Does that mean Foles is gonna be great, or does that mean that Chip showed pass, and this is the year he runs the crap out of it to throw off all those D co-ordinators....  Cause that's what the offseason program is hinting at, per an offseason trraining coach's instructions to get them ready for.  The conditioning from last year will be increased yet again, and that means beating up Defenses physically, which reads running it in the second half A LOT.
See late season 4th quarter games last year... Hint of things to come, SHADY, SHADY, SHADY is gonna have a huge year.
Just my take, with a few lunch conversations from guys way more in the know than me sprinkled into my opinions above