Where do you rank Nick Foles?

Completely understand your point and it makes sense, I just happen to believe Wilson with a full offense will surprise everyone, his stats were off the charts better than anyone under those circumstances Brady couldn't do in Fantasy what he did with below average WR"s. But we'll see, you may be right, but I'm definitely not confused, Wilson could easily improve drastically this year and has the most upside in yes... fantasy as he gets NFL players lining up this year, and Harvin and Rice are not worse than Tate and Kearse, not by a long shot.

bmxholden1 said:

I will also add, he does this against the toughest schedule in all of football while Foles faces the mighty Cowboys D and the other juggernauts

+1

bmxholden1 said:

Wow, ruffled a few feathers did I? I didn't mean exact scoring level, I meant 6-10 level versus 1-5, so the entire diatribe was based on a false assumption. Additionally Wilson had 1 out of his 3 WR's all year, missing his best 2, didn't have his starting TE a chunk of the year and was missing 2 Pro Bowl linemen, still came up top ten, didn't need an unrepeatable performance to place that high, has done it 2 years in a row starting with his rookie season, won a Super Bowl as a sophomore and your going to act offended I put Foles in his category? Look, Foles had a great start, no doubt, but let's see what he can do without DeSean and all his big plays that accounted for way too many of his wonderful stats to feel comfortable. And let's see how he performs when teams start planning for him, find his weaknesses and exploit them.

Regarding you statistics? Ask Brady how good he was after losing Gronk - Wilson lost nearly his entire offense and won a SB haha, he deserves nothing but praise in my book, and your comparing Foles, what a 10 game starter to a champ? Please!

People will get ruffled by an informed and logical argument that goes against what they "feel".

Yet they will not actually refute with the same insight and vigor....nor the same depth of research and backup numbers.

bmxholden1 said:

Completely understand your point and it makes sense, I just happen to believe Wilson with a full offense will surprise everyone, his stats were off the charts better than anyone under those circumstances Brady couldn't do in Fantasy what he did with below average WR"s. But we'll see, you may be right, but I'm definitely not confused, Wilson could easily improve drastically this year and has the most upside in yes... fantasy as he gets NFL players lining up this year, and Harvin and Rice are not worse than Tate and Kearse, not by a long shot.

Brady still put up very respectable numbers (he was 8th in my Dynasty last year), but agree with all of this otherwise.

I am amazed by the Stafford rankings....I see him 2 and 3 in a lot of these rankings...?

First and foremost there is NO WAY I can ever see him nor respect him being ranked over Rodgers, Luck, Cam. No way, he just isn't with those guys...is the expectation that losing Smith is going to kill Cam?

That said the topic is Foles....Foles who looked GREAT in the preseason after he was drafted, looked GREAT in his 2nd preseason, and looked AMAZING taking over for Vick last year. The guy is young, has great pocket awareness, strong and accurate arm, and is a fearless leader.

If I am in a Dynasty Startup and am trying to win right out of the gate (sometimes based on how the draft goes you know if you have to go young and potential or if you can snag the vets and compete right away):

1. Rodgers - maybe his young talented TEs can actually produce for once, first full year with a stud RB in his career.

2. Luck - He is who we thought he was hehehe

3. Brees - Cadet should be able to fills Sproles role if they even need him to. Cooks is AMAZING.

4. Peyton - Ball's pass protection is a notch down as is Sanders from Decker...still very possibly #1 this year

5. Cam - Legs do too much damage to keep out of top 5

6. Brady - tught to rank him this low but is constantly surrounded by lesser talent

7. Wilson - if his team stays healthy this could look way too low, but the team is very smart and usage will not get too crazy

8. Foles - if he had DeSean or if Sproles/mathews do as good as they possibly can this is low and he could possibly move above Brady.

9. Stafford - Big Time show me year, he almost can't get better weapons time to really step it up.

10. RGIII - like more than this but he has to show it

If going for the future ( I take this as not competing this year and next year being iffy...the 3 year plan)

1. Rodgers

2. Luck

3. Cam

4. Wilson

5. Foles

6. RGIII

7. Brees

8. Stafford

9. Kaepernick (worried about SFs future but the guy is talented)

10. Manziel (hint hint I REALLY like this kid)

10. Stafford

bmxholden1 said:

Not sure where I rank him but let me add this, without the Oakland game his per-game average puts him right at Russell Wilson level - about 8-10. So throw away the anomaly game and he will need to improve to get to elite. Not saying he won't, but just knowing he must outperform his great run makes me put him in 5-7 as a best case, and often players have Sophomore slumps so I'm going with 7th factoring it all together.

FYI - Wilson jumps to top 6 this year getting back his WR's, his TE and his 2 Pro Bowl O'Linemen

I actually like to use the take away a players best and worst game if they're not with the norm. It cab totally skew the expectations of a player. I use it all the time when WRs have one huge game. That huge game can make an avg player look much much better.

LukeB5301 said:

bmxholden1 said:

Not sure where I rank him but let me add this, without the Oakland game his per-game average puts him right at Russell Wilson level - about 8-10. So throw away the anomaly game and he will need to improve to get to elite. Not saying he won't, but just knowing he must outperform his great run makes me put him in 5-7 as a best case, and often players have Sophomore slumps so I'm going with 7th factoring it all together.

FYI - Wilson jumps to top 6 this year getting back his WR's, his TE and his 2 Pro Bowl O'Linemen

I actually like to use the take away a players best and worst game if they're not with the norm. It cab totally skew the expectations of a player. I use it all the time when WRs have one huge game. That huge game can make an avg player look much much better.

It's also a smart tactic as this is a game by game system we use...not rotisserie...whole year numbers are awesome...but if a couple huge games make their whole season and they can put up duds then they get a little scarier....

Vincent Jackson is the guy this makes me think of...Rivers could ever get him the ball and he got underthrown a lot last year too so if the underneath/short is getting taken away or if there is a lot of blitzing VJax can't be utilized as he's never had anything approaching an elite QB throwing to him.

Josh freeman years ago is a good example

robbyrobdu said:

I am amazed by the Stafford rankings....I see him 2 and 3 in a lot of these rankings...?

First and foremost there is NO WAY I can ever see him nor respect him being ranked over Rodgers, Luck, Cam. No way, he just isn't with those guys...is the expectation that losing Smith is going to kill Cam?

That said the topic is Foles....Foles who looked GREAT in the preseason after he was drafted, looked GREAT in his 2nd preseason, and looked AMAZING taking over for Vick last year. The guy is young, has great pocket awareness, strong and accurate arm, and is a fearless leader.

If I am in a Dynasty Startup and am trying to win right out of the gate (sometimes based on how the draft goes you know if you have to go young and potential or if you can snag the vets and compete right away):

1. Rodgers - maybe his young talented TEs can actually produce for once, first full year with a stud RB in his career.

2. Luck - He is who we thought he was hehehe

3. Brees - Cadet should be able to fills Sproles role if they even need him to. Cooks is AMAZING.

4. Peyton - Ball's pass protection is a notch down as is Sanders from Decker...still very possibly #1 this year

5. Cam - Legs do too much damage to keep out of top 5

6. Brady - tught to rank him this low but is constantly surrounded by lesser talent

7. Wilson - if his team stays healthy this could look way too low, but the team is very smart and usage will not get too crazy

8. Foles - if he had DeSean or if Sproles/mathews do as good as they possibly can this is low and he could possibly move above Brady.

9. Stafford - Big Time show me year, he almost can't get better weapons time to really step it up.

10. RGIII - like more than this but he has to show it

If going for the future ( I take this as not competing this year and next year being iffy...the 3 year plan)

1. Rodgers

2. Luck

3. Cam

4. Wilson

5. Foles

6. RGIII

7. Brees

8. Stafford

9. Kaepernick (worried about SFs future but the guy is talented)

10. Manziel (hint hint I REALLY like this kid)

10. Stafford

Stafford was QB4 last year, and he needs to "step it up"? He is better in fantasy than in real life, but that doesn't bother me. Outside of Calvin last year his weapons were basically "meh", and for me Golden Tate and Ebron bump up Stafford a little bit. Also like that they brought in coaches who have worked with elite QBs.

Ya stafford is top 5 for me...not above cam though that may be the homer in me

Luck
Rodgers
Cam
Stafford
Brees
Ryan
Foles

I think Ryan plays like a top 5 qb this year...we'll see

k0wned said:

robbyrobdu said:

I am amazed by the Stafford rankings....I see him 2 and 3 in a lot of these rankings...?

First and foremost there is NO WAY I can ever see him nor respect him being ranked over Rodgers, Luck, Cam. No way, he just isn't with those guys...is the expectation that losing Smith is going to kill Cam?

That said the topic is Foles....Foles who looked GREAT in the preseason after he was drafted, looked GREAT in his 2nd preseason, and looked AMAZING taking over for Vick last year. The guy is young, has great pocket awareness, strong and accurate arm, and is a fearless leader.

If I am in a Dynasty Startup and am trying to win right out of the gate (sometimes based on how the draft goes you know if you have to go young and potential or if you can snag the vets and compete right away):

1. Rodgers - maybe his young talented TEs can actually produce for once, first full year with a stud RB in his career.

2. Luck - He is who we thought he was hehehe

3. Brees - Cadet should be able to fills Sproles role if they even need him to. Cooks is AMAZING.

4. Peyton - Ball's pass protection is a notch down as is Sanders from Decker...still very possibly #1 this year

5. Cam - Legs do too much damage to keep out of top 5

6. Brady - tught to rank him this low but is constantly surrounded by lesser talent

7. Wilson - if his team stays healthy this could look way too low, but the team is very smart and usage will not get too crazy

8. Foles - if he had DeSean or if Sproles/mathews do as good as they possibly can this is low and he could possibly move above Brady.

9. Stafford - Big Time show me year, he almost can't get better weapons time to really step it up.

10. RGIII - like more than this but he has to show it

If going for the future ( I take this as not competing this year and next year being iffy...the 3 year plan)

1. Rodgers

2. Luck

3. Cam

4. Wilson

5. Foles

6. RGIII

7. Brees

8. Stafford

9. Kaepernick (worried about SFs future but the guy is talented)

10. Manziel (hint hint I REALLY like this kid)

10. Stafford

Stafford was QB4 last year, and he needs to "step it up"? He is better in fantasy than in real life, but that doesn't bother me. Outside of Calvin last year his weapons were basically "meh", and for me Golden Tate and Ebron bump up Stafford a little bit. Also like that they brought in coaches who have worked with elite QBs.

Sorry.

I should have stated more....it actually ties in perfectly with what is being discussed just above. He is STREAKY and can be VERY BAD. If it is Rotisserie, that is knowing I can just lump everything together for the year...yea he could be top 5.

But he had 7....count that again SEVEN games with 1 TD or less last year...no matter what your scoring that isn't going to be good

Out of those 7 games only ONCE did he have over 300 yds....

Of those 7 games 4 of them came weeks 14-17

Yes, the last 4 weeks of the season he did not ONCE throw over 300 yds NOR did he have more than 1 TD, week 14 vs PHI and week 16 against NYG he had 0 TD....these teams had atrocious defenses last year.

BAL in week 15 can be forgiven, Minnesota in week 17 also can not....

He also threw 5 INT (3 vs BAL and 2 vs NYG) in those all important week 15 and week 16 games (most leagues' SEMIs and FINALS)....

SO forgive my not expounding upon my reasoning as I normally do, I do NOT trust this man to get the job done for me when i need him to.

HailMary said:

Rodgers
Foles.

Your confused. .. or drunk...

Reisssox said:

HailMary said:

Rodgers
Foles.

Your confused. .. or drunk...

thanks, did I spell something wrong?

Reisssox said:

HailMary said:

Rodgers
Foles.

Your confused. .. or drunk...

If Foles plays like he did last year he may be a drunken GENIUS LoL

This is really the problem with Shallow who is one spot higher than the next guy type rankings....

This is also why I prefer deep dynasty leagues to shallow redraft leagues....the more you add on the more skill can try and balance luck....

In a dynasty you can get unlucky with some of your early picks and still be stacked for years.....in a redraft if you don't nail the majority of your first half of your draft AND avoid injuries then you are screwed....oh funny tie in I drafted Vick very late and was doing great....then he went down early and cost me a week...I added Foles and he did amazing....then he blew the next week, so I started Vick the following week and dropped Foles, and he got hurt again and cost me another week....3 weeks in a row barely losing but with pathetic QB play....if I weren;t already a New York FOOTBALL Giants fan then I would really hate PHI....

robbyrobdu said:

k0wned said:

robbyrobdu said:

I am amazed by the Stafford rankings....I see him 2 and 3 in a lot of these rankings...?

First and foremost there is NO WAY I can ever see him nor respect him being ranked over Rodgers, Luck, Cam. No way, he just isn't with those guys...is the expectation that losing Smith is going to kill Cam?

That said the topic is Foles....Foles who looked GREAT in the preseason after he was drafted, looked GREAT in his 2nd preseason, and looked AMAZING taking over for Vick last year. The guy is young, has great pocket awareness, strong and accurate arm, and is a fearless leader.

If I am in a Dynasty Startup and am trying to win right out of the gate (sometimes based on how the draft goes you know if you have to go young and potential or if you can snag the vets and compete right away):

1. Rodgers - maybe his young talented TEs can actually produce for once, first full year with a stud RB in his career.

2. Luck - He is who we thought he was hehehe

3. Brees - Cadet should be able to fills Sproles role if they even need him to. Cooks is AMAZING.

4. Peyton - Ball's pass protection is a notch down as is Sanders from Decker...still very possibly #1 this year

5. Cam - Legs do too much damage to keep out of top 5

6. Brady - tught to rank him this low but is constantly surrounded by lesser talent

7. Wilson - if his team stays healthy this could look way too low, but the team is very smart and usage will not get too crazy

8. Foles - if he had DeSean or if Sproles/mathews do as good as they possibly can this is low and he could possibly move above Brady.

9. Stafford - Big Time show me year, he almost can't get better weapons time to really step it up.

10. RGIII - like more than this but he has to show it

If going for the future ( I take this as not competing this year and next year being iffy...the 3 year plan)

1. Rodgers

2. Luck

3. Cam

4. Wilson

5. Foles

6. RGIII

7. Brees

8. Stafford

9. Kaepernick (worried about SFs future but the guy is talented)

10. Manziel (hint hint I REALLY like this kid)

10. Stafford

Stafford was QB4 last year, and he needs to "step it up"? He is better in fantasy than in real life, but that doesn't bother me. Outside of Calvin last year his weapons were basically "meh", and for me Golden Tate and Ebron bump up Stafford a little bit. Also like that they brought in coaches who have worked with elite QBs.

Sorry.

I should have stated more....it actually ties in perfectly with what is being discussed just above. He is STREAKY and can be VERY BAD. If it is Rotisserie, that is knowing I can just lump everything together for the year...yea he could be top 5.

But he had 7....count that again SEVEN games with 1 TD or less last year...no matter what your scoring that isn't going to be good

Out of those 7 games only ONCE did he have over 300 yds....

Of those 7 games 4 of them came weeks 14-17

Yes, the last 4 weeks of the season he did not ONCE throw over 300 yds NOR did he have more than 1 TD, week 14 vs PHI and week 16 against NYG he had 0 TD....these teams had atrocious defenses last year.

BAL in week 15 can be forgiven, Minnesota in week 17 also can not....

He also threw 5 INT (3 vs BAL and 2 vs NYG) in those all important week 15 and week 16 games (most leagues' SEMIs and FINALS)....

SO forgive my not expounding upon my reasoning as I normally do, I do NOT trust this man to get the job done for me when i need him to.

You don't think that he will improve at all with better weapons, and hopefully better coaching? I just think his floor is so nice given that he will have so many attempts, and DET adding weapons confirms this. I think if he doesn't "step it up" he will put up a season similar to last year, and if he does.. Detroit seems to be building around him, and their defense is so bad that he has to throw the ball around. Carolina's defense is so good that Cam doesn't to put the game on his shoulders very often. Cam has a nice floor as well given his rushing, but I am worried a little about his weapons.

I totally get the Foles love and if he turns out as awesome as some predict, far be it from me to admit you were all right, but I'm paid to be a contrarian (not actually paid, I just like to dig deep) and I see 2 reasons Foles may be Foles Gold, not the real thing. One we already discussed, take away the Oak game and he's not any more amazing than some of the other young QB's, but another often overlooked red flag, a too large of a portion of his stats were from big plays to you guessed it, DeSean Jackson. These were often broken plays, throw it as far as you can, go get it plays. Can Foles transition to consistent timing throws under pressure? Will he no longer have the parachute that Jackson was? Can he be successful with more pressure as teams prepare to bring the heat without a field stretcher of Jackson's caliber? If he can make the adjustments he will not disappoint you, but if think it's worthy to keep it all in mind before we crown his &$@/), the NFL has humbled a great number of QB's after a hot start, I would just temper expectations that's all, make him prove it when it's on his shoulders instead of prove it when he's only got a chip on his trying to get a job.

bmxholden1 said:

I totally get the Foles love and if he turns out as awesome as some predict, far be it from me to admit you were all right, but I'm paid to be a contrarian (not actually paid, I just like to dig deep) and I see 2 reasons Foles may be Foles Gold, not the real thing. One we already discussed, take away the Oak game and he's not any more amazing than some of the other young QB's, but another often overlooked red flag, a too large of a portion of his stats were from big plays to you guessed it, DeSean Jackson. These were often broken plays, throw it as far as you can, go get it plays. Can Foles transition to consistent timing throws under pressure? Will he no longer have the parachute that Jackson was? Can he be successful with more pressure as teams prepare to bring the heat without a field stretcher of Jackson's caliber? If he can make the adjustments he will not disappoint you, but if think it's worthy to keep it all in mind before we crown his &$@/), the NFL has humbled a great number of QB's after a hot start, I would just temper expectations that's all, make him prove it when it's on his shoulders instead of prove it when he's only got a chip on his trying to get a job.

My Foles love comes from him being calm under pressure, moving well in the pocket, stepping into throws, and being extremely accurate. I can't punish him for utilizing the best field stretcher in the League....Great QBs make their WR better....

I am a HUGE fan of Mathews......Maclin is a better all around WR than DeSean, and He can now dump it off to Shady OR Sproles....this offense is going to BAFFLE people if Chip is anything like he was expected to be (and since Belichek the master was corresponding with him I tend to trust the situation) then the talent/scheme combo as well as 6 games against ATROCIOUS NFC EAST defenses.....it could be scary.

Wow the more I think about it the MORE I like Foles' situation. In a vacuum I already loved his talent....

Great points, now how to pry him away from the other owner haha! Might be worth a very generous offer

bmxholden1 said:

Great points, now how to pry him away from the other owner haha! Might be worth a very generous offer

been trying that myself which is hard to these days! Over paying is the only way now unlike it was three months ago!

Very funny dynasty story.

Foles was taken a couple picks into the 3rd round of our rookie draft (2 QB League).

I had back to back picks a couple picks later and went Russell Wilson/Ryan Lindley....Lindley could have been Foles SOOOOO close lol

But immediately after the pick one of the teams, who literally within 3 picks before had just taken Morris Claiborne...and if you are wondering, no CBs are NOT more valuable in this league than others...traded his 1st (he was bad, had 1st overall in this current draft) the following year for Foles.

Naturally a HUGE issue was started...we do not veto trades....we may get worried if it's a new manager that we are not sure is going to stick around makes outrageous moves, but he just took a CB....that possibly goes undrafted, and then a couple picks later traded a 1st for Foles....a possibly and likely HIGH first.

Most argued that it wasn't necessarily a bad value, but wondered why in the HELL he didn't just draft Foles himself...had he just read something new....who knows....

I guess all said and done he gets a huge last laugh, he was the 8 seed this past year but made the finals and didn't lose by that much.

He has Luck and Foles for the next decade as well.

Rodgers
Foles
Luck
Stafford
Brees
Cam

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