Lamar Miller or Montee Ball

Sorry if his has already been posted...I have the 1.2 this year and assuming that Bell goes at 1.1 I believe my best two options are Lamar Miller (he is a FA) and Montee Ball.

In a dynasty league that we keep everyone...who would you pick and why?

I would take Miller because I think hes much more talented than Ball.

I have to go with Ball. I think his offense is much better and he will have a lot more TD opportunities.

Hi JRMRRT,

I've heard that Ball isn't an elite talent...Is your comment based on you watching them or combine numbers? I don't watch college football, but highlights on both actually make Ball seem pretty comparable...slower, but with more wiggle. Am I way off?

Other top offenses in the NFL are GB, NE and NO...I dont want any of their RBs. High powered offense is not always a factor for a great fantasy RB. Give me the more talented guy on the up and coming offense. Miller is bigger and faster and is the #1 guy right now.

Mozart said:

Hi JRMRRT,

I've heard that Ball isn't an elite talent...Is your comment based on you watching them or combine numbers? I don't watch college football, but highlights on both actually make Ball seem pretty comparable...slower, but with more wiggle. Am I way off?

The only thing Ball has over Miller right now is a nose for the endzone which may or may not translate in the NFL.

I'm worried about Ball when Manning retires

JRMRRT said:

Other top offenses in the NFL are GB, NE and NO...I dont want any of their RBs. High powered offense is not always a factor for a great fantasy RB. Give me the more talented guy on the up and coming offense. Miller is bigger and faster and is the #1 guy right now.

He's definitely not Bigger. If anything they are similar size but Ball is a battering ram. That matters on a smart offense like they have in DEN. Ball will definitely get more TDs, as eventhough Thomas is falling out of favor he's a much better short yardage/goalline option in that offense.

lsulax said:

I'm worried about Ball when Manning retires

Why? They'll need to lean on the running game, and that might not be for 2-3 years after this one.....

JRMRRT said:

Mozart said:

Hi JRMRRT,

I've heard that Ball isn't an elite talent...Is your comment based on you watching them or combine numbers? I don't watch college football, but highlights on both actually make Ball seem pretty comparable...slower, but with more wiggle. Am I way off?

The only thing Ball has over Miller right now is a nose for the endzone which may or may not translate in the NFL.

I admit I wasn't in love with Ball either, Big-10 RBs are traditionally sen as overhyped as they play poor defenses (and in WIS they have an NFL caliber O-Line)....that said Miller didn't look amazing in the ACC which has similar caliber defenses (except for my Seminoles...sometimes LoL)...Ball's situation and watching a little more tape has grown on me, there is no reason to have Miller much ahead of Ball at this second, but he has been given the vote of confidence from the staff....however Ball has been almost as steadfastly and unequivocally been called the #1 with much greater talent around him (I bet all you little speedy Miller lovers loved Hillman last year too, he was a top 7-8 rookie pick by everyone who way overvalues RBs every year in RDs too...).

I would think a Nose for the endzone translates to the NFL as much as any skill in a RBs toolbox, especially one seasoned behind a solid O-Line that has learned patience in waiting for holes to develop.

Mozart said:

...slower, but with more wiggle. Am I way off?

I don't think you are way off. The one thing that concerns me about Miller is that he does appear to lack a little 'wiggle'. He makes up for it though with blazing speed, patience, and good vision, along with good size. He's also a good receiver, and a nice fit for the Dolphins scheme. In this 'highlight' reel, you can see how quickly he is able to move laterally and exploit an opening. He's just faster and more explosive than most of the guys trying to tackle him:

lsulax said:

I'm worried about Ball when Manning retires

Manning looked cooked at the end of last season. I think he's got 2 years left max.

JRMRRT said:

Other top offenses in the NFL are GB, NE and NO...I dont want any of their RBs. High powered offense is not always a factor for a great fantasy RB. Give me the more talented guy on the up and coming offense. Miller is bigger and faster and is the #1 guy right now.

Michael turner and is yearly double digit td seasons say hello?....ball scored 39 tds last year....miller hasn't scored 39 tds if you add u all his tds since hgh school....I like minted over Lamar but I could see the case for both sides

FarFromHome said:

JRMRRT said:

Other top offenses in the NFL are GB, NE and NO...I dont want any of their RBs. High powered offense is not always a factor for a great fantasy RB. Give me the more talented guy on the up and coming offense. Miller is bigger and faster and is the #1 guy right now.

Michael turner and is yearly double digit td seasons say hello?....ball scored 39 tds last year....miller hasn't scored 39 tds if you add u all his tds since hgh school....I like minted over Lamar but I could see the case for both sides

Don't you dare come in here with your actual stats!! LoL

Love it brother, yes Miller might be one of those rare (Um...pretty much never happens) guys that are better in the NFL than they were in college. Hey, I don't know the guy personally, maybe he's really putting EVERYTHING into it and something will click or change.....

I'd take two years of Peyton then someone else over ten years of weeden

robbyrobdu said:

JRMRRT said:

Other top offenses in the NFL are GB, NE and NO...I dont want any of their RBs. High powered offense is not always a factor for a great fantasy RB. Give me the more talented guy on the up and coming offense. Miller is bigger and faster and is the #1 guy right now.

Michael turner and is yearly double digit td seasons say hello?....ball scored 39 tds last year....miller hasn't scored 39 tds if you add u all his tds since hgh school....I like minted over Lamar but I could see the case for both sides

Don't you dare come in here with your actual stats!! LoL

Love it brother, yes Miller might be one of those rare (Um...pretty much never happens) guys that are better in the NFL than they were in college. Hey, I don't know the guy personally, maybe he's really putting EVERYTHING into it and something will click or change.....

Foster

Fosters junior year he had 1500total yards and14 tds and was deemed a 2nd round talent....he made a mistake on coming back for his senior year....

FarFromHome said:

Fosters junior year he had 1500total yards and14 tds and was deemed a 2nd round talent....he made a mistake on coming back for his senior year....

Still better in NFL then college. which is what was stated

JRMRRT said:

I would take Miller because I think hes much more talented than Ball.

Yep

Was Lamar Miller bad in college? Where did this idea come from?

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/lamar-miller-1.html

rickok21 said:

Was Lamar Miller bad in college? Where did this idea come from?

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/lamar-miller-1.html

Your not reading between the lines...look deeper into our responses.....really deep

FarFromHome said:

JRMRRT said:

Other top offenses in the NFL are GB, NE and NO...I dont want any of their RBs. High powered offense is not always a factor for a great fantasy RB. Give me the more talented guy on the up and coming offense. Miller is bigger and faster and is the #1 guy right now.

Michael turner and is yearly double digit td seasons say hello?....ball scored 39 tds last year....miller hasn't scored 39 tds if you add u all his tds since hgh school....I like minted over Lamar but I could see the case for both sides

Don't you dare come in here with your actual stats!! LoL

Love it brother, yes Miller might be one of those rare (Um...pretty much never happens) guys that are better in the NFL than they were in college. Hey, I don't know the guy personally, maybe he's really putting EVERYTHING into it and something will click or change.....

Those "stats" he presented didn't really defeat JRMRRT's point. He was saying that high powered offenses don't always translate to RB production (which they don't) and provided examples. Presenting a counterargument in the form of Micheal Turner does nothing to refute his statement. I am willing to concede that you generally want a high powered offense, but in my opinion it really does matter how pass focused the team is.

Can you tell me why you dislike Miller? You've voiced your opinion on several threads about Miller but haven't elaborated on what you see in his game tape that you don't like. He would have gone late first early second round if he hadn't messed up his shoulder, so I have never really understood the opinion that he is an average talent at running back.

Always willing to change my opinion on a player though, so I would be happy to hear your take.

FarFromHome said:

rickok21 said:

Was Lamar Miller bad in college? Where did this idea come from?

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/lamar-miller-1.html

Your not reading between the lines...look deeper into our responses.....really deep

@-)

I see it now

JR hates Ball. Not sure why, maybe Montee stole his garbage pail kids cards when they were young.

However in the argument against RBs not performing well in high powered offenses, just look at the production the Broncos got out of McGahee and Moreno last year, and tell me that a RB can't have success in that system.

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