DC Article: One of my biggest Trading Secrets that I credit to many of my Expert League Titles!

https://draftcalc.com/fantasy-football-content/mock-drafts/outside-the-box-draft-pick-trading/

There it is, the article I've been promising for months. Sorry it took so long. As simplistic as this is, this is a huge reason I win so many leagues. Enjoy!

Good info. I only wish I was in some start up drafts to try this approach.

Again another solid article Smitty.. Thanks for sharing you receipt for championships!

Great plan however I think the hardest part of the plan is the second
trade. Especially with the fine folks here @DraftCalc.com I personally
think you over educated us Smitty! lol. Now I can't slip anything past
these guys. But Alas I still try to remain ahead of the curb. I like the idea and I believe Fontaines once implemented this idea and was quite successful.

Great article!!

Nice read Smitty.

cool info Smitty - now I just have to find a start up league that no DC Nation guys are in to try it out :)

Wutthecrapman said:

Great plan however I think the hardest part of the plan is the second
trade. Especially with the fine folks here @DraftCalc.com I personally
think you over educated us Smitty! lol. Now I can't slip anything past
these guys. But Alas I still try to remain ahead of the curb. I like the idea and I believe Fontaines once implemented this idea and was quite successful.

This is what most think, and why most don't pull the strategy off. But, after asking further questions of people saying this, usually they admit they didn't send out like 8 offers at each stage, and nor did they send out an additional 8 offers for any failed stage (where I suggest to make it a 3 for 1, or more like 3 for 1 (plus the other owner's last 2 picks in the draft). Usually that third pick isn't super high, but depends how hight the 1 is in the 3 for 1.

I've traded a 4th, 7th and 8th for a 2nd before.

Again, I hear some people suggesting they couldn't pull it off, but rarely have they made the 16 to 24 offers like suggested in the article.

Smitty said:

Wutthecrapman said:

Great plan however I think the hardest part of the plan is the second
trade. Especially with the fine folks here @DraftCalc.com I personally
think you over educated us Smitty! lol. Now I can't slip anything past
these guys. But Alas I still try to remain ahead of the curb. I like the idea and I believe Fontaines once implemented this idea and was quite successful.

This is what most think, and why most don't pull the strategy off. But, after asking further questions of people saying this, usually they admit they didn't send out like 8 offers at each stage, and nor did they send out an additional 8 offers for any failed stage (where I suggest to make it a 3 for 1, or more like 3 for 1 (plus the other owner's last 2 picks in the draft). Usually that third pick isn't super high, but depends how hight the 1 is in the 3 for 1.

I've traded a 4th, 7th and 8th for a 2nd before.

Again, I hear some people suggesting they couldn't pull it off, but rarely have they made the 16 to 24 offers like suggested in the article.

Ahhhhhh finally a formula!!!!!! TY Smitty

Here is a question, how would this strategy apply to an IDP league? The rounds you are trading out of are typically the rounds where the stud IDP players start going. What is everyone's thought?

BuckysGT said:

Here is a question, how would this strategy apply to an IDP league? The rounds you are trading out of are typically the rounds where the stud IDP players start going. What is everyone's thought?

That's a question I'd ask you :)

Smitty said:

BuckysGT said:

Here is a question, how would this strategy apply to an IDP league? The rounds you are trading out of are typically the rounds where the stud IDP players start going. What is everyone's thought?

That's a question I'd ask you :)

Lol. Honestly, I think it would still give you great offensive starting weapons, but you could be hurting everywhere else. IMO, when you started picking again, lets say rd 7 or 8, you will be playing catch up. You would have missed on the defensive studs so you have to make a decision, take your offensive sleepers and lose even more defensive depth or take your tier 2 and 3 defensive players and scramble later for offensive back ups.

I'm curious what other IDP guys think.

^^^ I think this all depends on size of league and how big rosters and starting req for both offensive and defensive players.. bigger leagues this would hurt your team smaller leagues and less starters a better way to go IMO..

bddavidson said:

^^^ I think this all depends on size of league and how big rosters and starting req for both offensive and defensive players.. bigger leagues this would hurt your team smaller leagues and less starters a better way to go IMO..

Good point. Didn't really think about roster sizes. I was just thinking in terms of getting the best starters for the entire lineup.

Ya I posted a comment asking about the same team. I'm in a league where we start 2 qbs and up to 4 RB or 5 WRs...I'm not sure if its a good idea

Last year you wrote a similar article about constantly trading up in the draft. The last two years I have been employing a similar type theory in my 32 team redraft league. So far I have pulled off 7 trades in 11 rounds. A few of those trades were essentially moving around the first round to get more value in rounds 2-5. But the goal is to move up as far as I can in each round, with a rare trade down thrown in to recoup some value for later picks, which I will in turn us to trade back up again. But like Smitty said, you have to be aggressive and send out a waves of trade offers, to eventually find a trade partner. And once you've started trading up, keep trading up. In the example Smitty gave, he was without his 7th and 8th round pick, but knowing Smitty, he kept at it and turned a 10 and 11 into a 7th rounder.

tmoney said:

Last year you wrote a similar article about constantly trading up in the draft. The last two years I have been employing a similar type theory in my 32 team redraft league. So far I have pulled off 7 trades in 11 rounds. A few of those trades were essentially moving around the first round to get more value in rounds 2-5. But the goal is to move up as far as I can in each round, with a rare trade down thrown in to recoup some value for later picks, which I will in turn us to trade back up again. But like Smitty said, you have to be aggressive and send out a waves of trade offers, to eventually find a trade partner. And once you've started trading up, keep trading up. In the example Smitty gave, he was without his 7th and 8th round pick, but knowing Smitty, he kept at it and turned a 10 and 11 into a 7th rounder.

Right, essentially people stop trading with you ha, but you can probably dump 10th and 11th rounders for a 7th and then about that point is when people just shut down on your offers :)

Ok I'm going to try this formula. This what I currently have pick wise.
3 2 26
6 8 68
7 3 75
8 1 85
8 8 92
9 8 104
10 1 109
10 8 116
10 11 119
10 12 120
Thinking from starting at trading my 6.8 & 8.1 for a 4.3 then if that works trade the 4.3 & 3.2 for 1st or 2nd. ?

Nobody ?

Wutthecrapman said:

Great plan however I think the hardest part of the plan is the second
trade. Especially with the fine folks here @DraftCalc.com I personally
think you over educated us Smitty! lol. Now I can't slip anything past
these guys. But Alas I still try to remain ahead of the curb. I like the idea and I believe Fontaines once implemented this idea and was quite successful.

Not so sure. I love Smitty's boldness in going for 6 picks in the first four rounds, but I personally like the other route. I like to trade back again and again and again (about as many times as my leaguemates will allow it). I've done it full-bore two times and won the inaugural league both times. IIRC, I ended up with 8 picks in a row the first time I did this back in 2010 (4.9 - 5.4). I won the league that year and have a powerful team right now.

Did it again last year with DCers and didn't pick until 3.12. But I had 11 picks in the first 6 rounds and got great value picks like AP at 4.1, Sproles at 4.6, Roddy at 4.8, VJax at 5.2. I'm older in this league than I'd like, and I'll have a bit of work to do to turn productive aging players into youth, but I've already trade SJax (who I got in the 7th or 8th last year), Ridley, Stevie, 1.11 rookie pick for Foster/Tate/2.3 rookie. I didn't exactly get younger with Foster, but I like his heir apparent a good bit. Won this league last year, too.

So I think you can always find willing trading partners....I, for one, like trading back.

:)

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Nobody ?

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