Preseason Injuries!

Ok, so the "camp injuries" thread is old, post all of your preseason injuries here!

Ok but thanks to bddavidson for starting the last thread! Great thread for instant info on injuries.

I hear the original "camp injuries" thread has blown out it's ACL and has been put on IR, ending it's season.

Yes, BDD, great job!

What would we do if Bdd ever left the house?

Why the switch over??? Didn't see anything wrong with the other thread?

bd850308 said:

Why the switch over??? Didn't see anything wrong with the other thread?

Camp is over ;)

Smitty or anyone else that may have any reason why so many guys are falling like flies with torn ACL's. I have never seen so many players with torn ACL's in such short time before all preseason games that haven't even started. Is it this generation of players that have something wrong with them or what?

It's me... Sorry everybody... I'll stop driving around and smashing kneecaps with my lead pipe now...

My bad... :(

Ligaments don't grow or get stronger, so player muscles are bigger and bigger and ligaments aren't... I guess it's like using heavier doors and and your door hinges will never get bigger or stronger.

Smitty said:

Ligaments don't grow or get stronger, so player muscles are bigger and bigger and ligaments aren't... I guess it's like using heavier doors and and your door hinges will never get bigger or stronger.

nice analogy there Smitty! Is this something to start thinking about with guys with a lot of miles on their tires from college?

Depends on what brand of hinges they have.

Swampies said:

Ok but thanks to bddavidson for starting the last thread! Great thread for instant info on injuries.

tmoney said:

I hear the original "camp injuries" thread has blown out it's ACL and has been put on IR, ending it's season.

garyzab said:

What would we do if Bdd ever left the house?

Smitty said:

Yes, BDD, great job!

thanks guys.. just keeping things easy for you guys to find and updated on.. it is the poster/members that make this forum and helps keeps us all updated..

We love you BDD

Plaxico Burress suffered a torn rotator cuff in his shoulder during Thursday's camp practice, and is likely done for the year.

Smitty said:

Ligaments don't grow or get stronger, so player muscles are bigger and bigger and ligaments aren't... I guess it's like using heavier doors and and your door hinges will never get bigger or stronger.

As a strength training coach I feel I should straighten you out a little :-) building stronger muscles around the knee, if done properly will actually help support your knee ligaments and help protect them. Same can be said about the shoulder joint, building up your deltoids helps protect the shoulder joint. Acl tears are usely because players have undertrained, or some cases over trained incorrectly, and try to over due it before their bodies are ready. Most of the tears I see are caused by out of shape players or just freak accidents. Playing football will put you in a lot of situation which will cause tears, even if you are in playing shape, hence all the acl tears from football players.

bwags said:

Smitty said:

Ligaments don't grow or get stronger, so player muscles are bigger and bigger and ligaments aren't... I guess it's like using heavier doors and and your door hinges will never get bigger or stronger.

As a strength training coach I feel I should straighten you out a little :-) building stronger muscles around the knee, if done properly will actually help support your knee ligaments and help protect them. Same can be said about the shoulder joint, building up your deltoids helps protect the shoulder joint. Acl tears are usely because players have undertrained, or some cases over trained incorrectly, and try to over due it before their bodies are ready. Most of the tears I see are caused by out of shape players or just freak accidents. Playing football will put you in a lot of situation which will cause tears, even if you are in playing shape, hence all the acl tears from football players.

And maybe I didn't word it right either, my angle was more along the lines that players are stronger now, cut harder, weigh more, hence more pressure on the acl. You can actually function without an acl without any consequence, like Garrison Hearst prior to the NFL (he had acl surgery because people were scared if he hadn't); just as you said, his thigh muscles were so strong around his thigh and knee, his muscles were holding his knee tighter than his acl could ever...like a muscle band.

You are right, though, the "being heavier" and players "being stronger" (to the point one is too strong for their own ligaments) is only one angle.. Out of shape is a good point as well.

Smitty said:

bwags said:

Smitty said:

Ligaments don't grow or get stronger, so player muscles are bigger and bigger and ligaments aren't... I guess it's like using heavier doors and and your door hinges will never get bigger or stronger.

As a strength training coach I feel I should straighten you out a little :-) building stronger muscles around the knee, if done properly will actually help support your knee ligaments and help protect them. Same can be said about the shoulder joint, building up your deltoids helps protect the shoulder joint. Acl tears are usely because players have undertrained, or some cases over trained incorrectly, and try to over due it before their bodies are ready. Most of the tears I see are caused by out of shape players or just freak accidents. Playing football will put you in a lot of situation which will cause tears, even if you are in playing shape, hence all the acl tears from football players.

And maybe I didn't word it right either, my angle was more along the lines that players are stronger now, cut harder, weigh more, hence more pressure on the acl. You can actually function without an acl without any consequence, like Garrison Hearst prior to the NFL (he had acl surgery because people were scared if he hadn't); just as you said, his thigh muscles were so strong around his thigh and knee, his muscles were holding his knee tighter than his acl could ever...like a muscle band.

You are right, though, the "being heavier" and players "being stronger" (to the point one is too strong for their own ligaments) is only one angle.. Out of shape is a good point as well.

You can function without an acl but not without consequence. Hard cutting is near impossible without an acl. But yes you are correct in saying that faster harder cutting can cause problems. You'll notice these acls are happening in training camp, before even preseason games, hence probably because they are out of shape.

bwags said:

Smitty said:

bwags said:

Smitty said:

Ligaments don't grow or get stronger, so player muscles are bigger and bigger and ligaments aren't... I guess it's like using heavier doors and and your door hinges will never get bigger or stronger.

As a strength training coach I feel I should straighten you out a little :-) building stronger muscles around the knee, if done properly will actually help support your knee ligaments and help protect them. Same can be said about the shoulder joint, building up your deltoids helps protect the shoulder joint. Acl tears are usely because players have undertrained, or some cases over trained incorrectly, and try to over due it before their bodies are ready. Most of the tears I see are caused by out of shape players or just freak accidents. Playing football will put you in a lot of situation which will cause tears, even if you are in playing shape, hence all the acl tears from football players.

And maybe I didn't word it right either, my angle was more along the lines that players are stronger now, cut harder, weigh more, hence more pressure on the acl. You can actually function without an acl without any consequence, like Garrison Hearst prior to the NFL (he had acl surgery because people were scared if he hadn't); just as you said, his thigh muscles were so strong around his thigh and knee, his muscles were holding his knee tighter than his acl could ever...like a muscle band.

You are right, though, the "being heavier" and players "being stronger" (to the point one is too strong for their own ligaments) is only one angle.. Out of shape is a good point as well.

You can function without an acl but not without consequence. Hard cutting is near impossible without an acl. But yes you are correct in saying that faster harder cutting can cause problems. You'll notice these acls are happening in training camp, before even preseason games, hence probably because they are out of shape.

Well, from the research I've done on it, and I actually have a source, a Phoenix Suns and DBacks doctor, that told me the story about Garrison Hearst. He assisted on my ACL surgery.... and he explained to me that you can absolutely have just as strong a knee, without consequence, without an ACL, but your thigh has to be like Hearst's was. It's rare to be able to create a muscle band around your knee, and some people can't develop muscles like that around their knee even if they workout like mad... kinda like the guy with small calfs... no matter how hard he lifts, or gleams into the mirror, his calfs just arent made to be big. Well, so you are right, most cases there is consequences, but my point is, and this coming from the most trusted of sources, that Hearst didn't need the ACL, and no one knew he even blew out his knee (until getting ready to be drafted)... they are unsure when he ever snapped his ACL, they think high school or early college, and his muscles were so strong the reconstructed ACL didn't do anything to further tighten his knee up, it was tight to the max prior to having the unnecessary surgery entering the NFL.

Edit: Also, to add to your point of there being consequence, once a player that has a muscular thigh/knee area stops playing football, and that muscle no longer holds that knee tight, which is going to happen after a few years, then all the cartilage starts to break down, this you are right. I say no consequence for a guy like Hearst until he retires... without an ACL, all those micro movements tear your cartilage up and wear it down to nothing, you are 100 percent right.

bwags said:

Smitty said:

Ligaments don't grow or get stronger, so player muscles are bigger and bigger and ligaments aren't... I guess it's like using heavier doors and and your door hinges will never get bigger or stronger.

Acl tears are usely because players have undertrained, or some cases over trained incorrectly, and try to over due it before their bodies are ready. Most of the tears I see are caused by out of shape players or just freak accidents.

This, like i said in.a diff thread, the new cba rules don't allow for enough real practice hence the players not being ready

Bucs RB Peyton Hillis suffered a hyperextended left knee in Thursday night's preseason opener against Baltimore.

The injury is not believed to be season threatening, but will hurt Hillis' roster chances in his likely one-on-one battle with Brian Leonard for a job. Before exiting, Hillis rushed four times for 13 yards (3.3 YPC) with a fumble.

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