T Richardson

bddavidson said:

hope everyone understand i am not criticizing Smitty's track record at all just expressing my opinion of TR as of now.

Yeah, Im saying T Rich is not elite too. Im responding to people calling out people that make predictions for breakouts. Saying its a win win situation. Its way more lame to criticize someones bold predictions with hindsight when they dont have the guts to make their own then it is to predict a breakout and tell people to be patient if they start slow.

JRMRRT said:

bddavidson said:

hope everyone understand i am not criticizing Smitty's track record at all just expressing my opinion of TR as of now.

Yeah, Im saying T Rich is not elite too. Im responding to people calling out people that make predictions for breakouts. Saying its a win win situation. Its way more lame to criticize someones bold predictions with hindsight when they dont have the guts to make their own then it is to predict a breakout and tell people to be patient if they start slow.

Thanks Jr. I have thick skin, been at this a while. I could miss on this one, it happens. Cam Newton, Dez.. I've took more heat than this on Foster, Cam and Dez. But again, with the bold stuff, you are never going to land even 75% consistently (or it's not bold). Not everything is bold on DC, but I highlight what is pretty clearly.

As for the criticism, again I've got thick skin, but I don't like how the criticism brings down the forum (if only even a little). If DC isn't for you, move on, don't troll, as JR says, just looking to talk bad about our site, myself or predictions... That's not DC, whether you agree with my stances or not.

No BDD, this is not aimed at you. Lol

bddavidson said:

hope everyone understand i am not criticizing Smitty's track record at all just expressing my opinion of TR as of now.

there is nothing wrong going toe to toe with the godfather...him and I went at it nicely regarding lamar miller...I still disagree with damn near everything he says about him...I also damn near disagree with most of what he says about trent...i think i actually like lamar over trent really...i watch trent and i see ordinary...just my opinion

this type of debate is what makes fantasy football so great

FarFromHome said:

this type of debate is what makes fantasy football so great

We are men and we love to argue as much as we love to watch football :-)

FarFromHome said:

this type of debate is what makes fantasy football so great

Is one thing to disagree with someone on a player cause Im not down with T Rich being elite either. Its another thing to question someones integrity saying that its easy to just say someone will be elite and when you miss just keep saying to be patient so your never wrong. Thats not what Smitty or anyone else is doing here. Its only been 4 games in Trents 2nd season and hes on his 2nd team already this year. I dont think its crazy to have a little more patience on him to see what he can do in Indy. You dont need elite talent to be a fantasy stud.

I Love Lamp

LukeB5301 said:

I Love Lamp

I killed a man with a trident...

Sorry I brought it up, lol

jintsfan66 said:

Sorry I brought it up, lol

Im not talking about you man.

JRMRRT said:

LukeB5301 said:

I Love Lamp

I killed a man with a trident...

I've been meaning to talk to you about that, you're gonna stay at a relatives for a while, you're probably wanted for murder

I ate a big red candle...

I can't wait until December!!

No worries, I meant the whole thread

Im not talking about you man.

;)

JRMRRT said:

FarFromHome said:

this type of debate is what makes fantasy football so great

Is one thing to disagree with someone on a player cause Im not down with T Rich being elite either. Its another thing to question someones integrity saying that its easy to just say someone will be elite and when you miss just keep saying to be patient so your never wrong. Thats not what Smitty or anyone else is doing here. Its only been 4 games in Trents 2nd season and hes on his 2nd team already this year. I dont think its crazy to have a little more patience on him to see what he can do in Indy. You dont need elite talent to be a fantasy stud.

See now things are being blown out of proportion. I was not questioning the integrity of Smitty at all. All I was doing was stating a fact in terms of FF predictions. A lot times someone claiming a breakout is in a no lose situation. This isn't just for Smitty, it's a generalzation of FF breakouts. I see it everywhere on multiple sights. Look, I respect Smitty and what he does. His track record speaks for itself. I think we calculated that he was 7-8 out of 10 for his 2012 breakouts. He's been there and done that.

I guess what irks me a little bit is the whole herd mentality. Once again, not directed at DC specifically, but just how I feel about that in all aspects of life. People should always think for themselves. I post questions here all of the time looking for imput, so I'm not saying I never ask opinions of ideas from anyone. Quite the opposite. I enjoy this site quite a bit and repect the people on it. When DC first became a "pay site" I was the one telling people that we should gladly pay the money just to keep this community together.

One thing that Smitty sais all the time, is that you need to be able to change your stance on players and conditions as things change. That's where I am with TRich. He was a top 10 RB last year as a rookie and dealing with injuries. I by no means think he's a bum, but the term bust is used based on price and expectations. Had Trich been a 4th round startup guy then he would be solid value right now. All I was getting at is that many here touted TRich as the #1 scoring RB in all formats. The season is not over yet, but if you held that belief then you were wrong. I was one of them at one point. Im sure there was more than one poll on here that I ranked TRich as my #1-2 RB this year. I have now changed my stance on him. It's all good, it happens. I make predictions just like everyone else. Sometimes Im wrong, sometimes Im right. Look at my signature. Do we really think Ivory has a chance at being a top 15 RB this year? I was wrong, so be it. Sorry for the rant, but my earlier comments were being misunderstood from my orginal intent, so I wanted to clear my stance up. I still love you all like brothers I never met :)

branch0095 said:

JRMRRT said:

FarFromHome said:

this type of debate is what makes fantasy football so great

Is one thing to disagree with someone on a player cause Im not down with T Rich being elite either. Its another thing to question someones integrity saying that its easy to just say someone will be elite and when you miss just keep saying to be patient so your never wrong. Thats not what Smitty or anyone else is doing here. Its only been 4 games in Trents 2nd season and hes on his 2nd team already this year. I dont think its crazy to have a little more patience on him to see what he can do in Indy. You dont need elite talent to be a fantasy stud.

See now things are being blown out of proportion. I was not questioning the integrity of Smitty at all. All I was doing was stating a fact in terms of FF predictions. A lot times someone claiming a breakout is in a no lose situation. This isn't just for Smitty, it's a generalzation of FF breakouts. I see it everywhere on multiple sights. Look, I respect Smitty and what he does. His track record speaks for itself. I think we calculated that he was 7-8 out of 10 for his 2012 breakouts. He's been there and done that.

I guess what irks me a little bit is the whole herd mentality. Once again, not directed at DC specifically, but just how I feel about that in all aspects of life. People should always think for themselves. I post questions here all of the time looking for imput, so I'm not saying I never ask opinions of ideas from anyone. Quite the opposite. I enjoy this site quite a bit and repect the people on it. When DC first became a "pay site" I was the one telling people that we should gladly pay the money just to keep this community together.

One thing that Smitty sais all the time, is that you need to be able to change your stance on players and conditions as things change. That's where I am with TRich. He was a top 10 RB last year as a rookie and dealing with injuries. I by no means think he's a bum, but the term bust is used based on price and expectations. Had Trich been a 4th round startup guy then he would be solid value right now. All I was getting at is that many here touted TRich as the #1 scoring RB in all formats. The season is not over yet, but if you held that belief then you were wrong. I was one of them at one point. Im sure there was more than one poll on here that I ranked TRich as my #1-2 RB this year. I have now changed my stance on him. It's all good, it happens. I make predictions just like everyone else. Sometimes Im wrong, sometimes Im right. Look at my signature. Do we really think Ivory has a chance at being a top 15 RB this year? I was wrong, so be it. Sorry for the rant, but my earlier comments were being misunderstood from my orginal intent, so I wanted to clear my stance up. I still love you all like brothers I never met :)

What a waste of your time up above my man, ha, cause I don't think anything was aimed at you :) At least I wasn't (unless I missed one of your messages ;-P ).

I too agree with branch on the no-lose situation of FF journalists. But if we didn't debate at all and disagree there'd be no need to post here and customers want to see active forums when deciding if this is the right forum for them. If Haimez didn't disagree with smitty at every turn about ball I would have blindly selected ball at 1.1 but I liked haimez' posts about Gio and went with Gio. You need debate and disagreements.

HellAtlantic said:

I too agree with branch on the no-lose situation of FF journalists. But if we didn't debate at all and disagree there'd be no need to post here and customers want to see active forums when deciding if this is the right forum for them. If Haimez didn't disagree with smitty at every turn about ball I would have blindly selected ball at 1.1 but I liked haimez' posts about Gio and went with Gio. You need debate and disagreements.

Its not a no loose situation cause there are always the negative trolls that do nothing but point out others failures. Not to mention that players fail. Are we saying be patient with guys like Wilson and Trent...Yes, because they are 22 years old and we are talking mostly about dynasty. Not only is Trent 22 but the kid just got blindsided and traded to Indy and has to learn a new system. And when dealing with breakouts you have to look at a track record because unless you are a psychic its impossible to be perfect and will certainly get some wrong. If you are over 50% for a career Id say you are pretty good though. The members that have been here for a while know who Smitty has hit on and has missed on for sure too so its not win win for him.

I think that your bigger problem is your statement that if Haimez didnt disagree with Smillty then you would have "blindly selected Ball at 1.01". Disagreeing is one thing but calling someones work ethic into question is another. Predicting breakouts is far from win win...but critiquing others predictions with hindsight and without any of your own out there on the line for the world to see and criticize is definitely win win.

We need more debate and less negative trolls.

I think this thread jumped to camp serious way to quickly....it is funny how serious we take this sh*t sometime's....

I am relatively new to this forum and last year was my first year on this forum. After reading this thread I feel like commenting - last year I picked up Dez in 9th round in draft based on Smitty's upside board..no body wanted to even pick him in my league, all the so called "experts" on other sites said Dez is a nutcase, he is overrated and will not perform. Dez did not have a great start to 2012..I still kept him on my bench because I could afford to and then what happened in second half of 2012? He went lights out! Hands down best receiver in last 8 or 9 games. And all those people who hated him last year wanted to pick him in 1st or 2nd round in this years draft. Same thing happened with Russell Wilson. Of course winning is important but for me it's even better feeling when I am able to pick the next big thing while rest in my leagues are just picking up players after they are big...this is possible because of guys like Smitty and others. This is one the best sites in terms of bold predictions..keep them coming!

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