Need trade ideas boys so throw some at me. (He wants Julio Jones)

Swampies said:

Ok I threw this at him and he did not reject it right off the bat after he withdrew his past offer. I sent him this as my offer I give him my Julio for his 1.1, 1.5 and Ball . I did not send him back any picks because he has over ten already. If he excepts than I be more than happy with this trade. If not I'm still fine with what I have. I still think I'm one RB away from having enough depth for my run this year. 3.9 could pick up a sleeper RB this coming draft like how I picked up Stacy at the 3.3 pick last year. So it sounds like he thinking over or thinking of another deal to counter with.
@Luke welcome to DC family bud great to hear from you too. As it happen I already had traded AJ to him for 4.8 pick because I wasn't going to keep him.

this was my initial thought. If he really wants Julio send him the offer of Ball, 1.1 and the 1.5 and see what he does with it. Never hurts to throw that out there knowing his offer was some tiki by to gets some talks going.

And welcome to the site Luke.

BuckysGT said:

Swampies said:

Ok I threw this at him and he did not reject it right off the bat after he withdrew his past offer. I sent him this as my offer I give him my Julio for his 1.1, 1.5 and Ball . I did not send him back any picks because he has over ten already. If he excepts than I be more than happy with this trade. If not I'm still fine with what I have. I still think I'm one RB away from having enough depth for my run this year. 3.9 could pick up a sleeper RB this coming draft like how I picked up Stacy at the 3.3 pick last year. So it sounds like he thinking over or thinking of another deal to counter with.
@Luke welcome to DC family bud great to hear from you too. As it happen I already had traded AJ to him for 4.8 pick because I wasn't going to keep him.

this was my initial thought. If he really wants Julio send him the offer of Ball, 1.1 and the 1.5 and see what he does with it. Never hurts to throw that out there knowing his offer was some tiki by to gets some talks going.

that is exactly what I did @BuckyGT . Ask for his 1.1, 1.5 and Ball for my Julio and he did not reject it yet! Which tells me two things either he's trying come up with a counter or he's thinking about it.

Swampies said:

BuckysGT said:

Swampies said:

Ok I threw this at him and he did not reject it right off the bat after he withdrew his past offer. I sent him this as my offer I give him my Julio for his 1.1, 1.5 and Ball . I did not send him back any picks because he has over ten already. If he excepts than I be more than happy with this trade. If not I'm still fine with what I have. I still think I'm one RB away from having enough depth for my run this year. 3.9 could pick up a sleeper RB this coming draft like how I picked up Stacy at the 3.3 pick last year. So it sounds like he thinking over or thinking of another deal to counter with.
@Luke welcome to DC family bud great to hear from you too. As it happen I already had traded AJ to him for 4.8 pick because I wasn't going to keep him.

this was my initial thought. If he really wants Julio send him the offer of Ball, 1.1 and the 1.5 and see what he does with it. Never hurts to throw that out there knowing his offer was some tiki by to gets some talks going.

that is exactly what I did @BuckyGT . Ask for his 1.1, 1.5 and Ball for my Julio and he did not reject it yet! Which tells me two things either he's trying come up with a counter or he's thinking about it.

I think you played it right. I'll be curios to see what he does.

yeah really... let us know what happens

If he does except it I'll have a new problem to contend with on who to choose from. Watkins or Evans. I nice problem to have though. :)

I wouldn't trade Julio for Ball and 1.1. I'd want Ball,Maclin, mid first.

paulg002 said:

I wouldn't trade Julio for Ball and 1.1. I'd want Ball,Maclin, mid first.

Maclin? But you would trade him for Ball, Maclin and 1.5 why? Instead of what I offered or are you saying trade someone else?

Update:

He rejected the offer saying sorry but it was to expensive.

As would I. That offer was way too rich. I'd reoffer and take out the 1.05 and throw in one of his early 2nd's and you throw in a 6th or something. Ball and 1.01 itself is probably more than Julio is worth, but downgrading from the 1.05 to a high 2nd and throwing in a late pick may still get it done.

DefiantVitreous said:

As would I. That offer was way too rich. I'd reoffer and take out the 1.05 and throw in one of his early 2nd's and you throw in a 6th or something. Ball and 1.01 itself is probably more than Julio is worth, but downgrading from the 1.05 to a high 2nd and throwing in a late pick may still get it done.

thanks! If I wanted to trade Julio I might have done that but I don't. I was offered and that was my counter offer. It was my way to say if you really want him then go for it because I'm not giving him up unless i got the better of the deal.

DefiantVitreous said:

As would I. That offer was way too rich. I'd reoffer and take out the 1.05 and throw in one of his early 2nd's and you throw in a 6th or something. Ball and 1.01 itself is probably more than Julio is worth, but downgrading from the 1.05 to a high 2nd and throwing in a late pick may still get it done.

No chance I move Julio for Ball +1.01 alone.... and I LOVE Montee moving forward.

Swampies said:

DefiantVitreous said:

As would I. That offer was way too rich. I'd reoffer and take out the 1.05 and throw in one of his early 2nd's and you throw in a 6th or something. Ball and 1.01 itself is probably more than Julio is worth, but downgrading from the 1.05 to a high 2nd and throwing in a late pick may still get it done.

thanks! If I wanted to trade Julio I might have done that but I don't. I was offered and that was my counter offer. It was my way to say if you really want him then go for it because I'm not giving him up unless i got the better of the deal.

this is exactly how I'd think if I were moving Julio. If you want him be prepared to overpay for him.

SMFFCN said:

DefiantVitreous said:

As would I. That offer was way too rich. I'd reoffer and take out the 1.05 and throw in one of his early 2nd's and you throw in a 6th or something. Ball and 1.01 itself is probably more than Julio is worth, but downgrading from the 1.05 to a high 2nd and throwing in a late pick may still get it done.

No chance I move Julio for Ball +1.01 alone.... and I LOVE Montee moving forward.

Julio has foot problems and Watkins has a ceiling that is pretty damn close to Julio. To top it off you get Montee Ball as well. 6 weeks into the season, after you see Watkins and Ball play, I think you'll be singing a different tune and there's no way that you'll be able to get this trade again. There is some inherent risk that Watkins is as advertised and Ball comes out and plays gangbusters, but you don't win sitting on the sidelines. This would be a good risk trade, to get you a deeper, better team.

BuckysGT said:

Swampies said:

DefiantVitreous said:

As would I. That offer was way too rich. I'd reoffer and take out the 1.05 and throw in one of his early 2nd's and you throw in a 6th or something. Ball and 1.01 itself is probably more than Julio is worth, but downgrading from the 1.05 to a high 2nd and throwing in a late pick may still get it done.

thanks! If I wanted to trade Julio I might have done that but I don't. I was offered and that was my counter offer. It was my way to say if you really want him then go for it because I'm not giving him up unless i got the better of the deal.

this is exactly how I'd think if I were moving Julio. If you want him be prepared to overpay for him.

Nothing wrong with starting high and seeing if someone bites (although they also may be insulted and you'll gather a bad 'trade' reputation, but I digress). But once he blatantly says no thanks and doesn't even counter, the trade is dead. Might as well see if you can come up with something that both parties can be happy with. At the end of the day, a good trade is a good trade. There is no doubt (at least IMO) that Julio and a 6th/7th for Ball, 1.01 and 2.01 is a fantastic trade and worth giving up Julio for. Is it as good as what you originally asked for? No, but we all know that no rational owner would have accepted that trade. So downgrade a bit to get the other owner talking, but still clearly keeping the ball in your court. Like I said, a good trade is still a good trade and if you're not moving forward, you'll be passed up.

DefiantVitreous said:

SMFFCN said:

DefiantVitreous said:

As would I. That offer was way too rich. I'd reoffer and take out the 1.05 and throw in one of his early 2nd's and you throw in a 6th or something. Ball and 1.01 itself is probably more than Julio is worth, but downgrading from the 1.05 to a high 2nd and throwing in a late pick may still get it done.

No chance I move Julio for Ball +1.01 alone.... and I LOVE Montee moving forward.

Julio has foot problems and Watkins has a ceiling that is pretty damn close to Julio. To top it off you get Montee Ball as well. 6 weeks into the season, after you see Watkins and Ball play, I think you'll be singing a different tune and there's no way that you'll be able to get this trade again. There is some inherent risk that Watkins is as advertised and Ball comes out and plays gangbusters, but you don't win sitting on the sidelines. This would be a good risk trade, to get you a deeper, better team.

I think this all comes down to the value we each have on the players mentioned. Personally, I have Julio as the #1 WR in dynasty moving forward. I've watched him have a solid rookie season, follow it up with a great sophomore campaign, and then be on pace for a 1,800 yard season in year three. I agree, he comes with some inherent risk with regards to his foot but I simply can't overlook his situation. Roddy is on a steady decline and Gonzo is gone with no replacement (as of yet). Ryan can certainly throw the ball and those attempts have to go somewhere and Jones has more than enough physicality and talent to take full advantage of this fact. I like Julio's chances of being the #1 in the game this year.

That said, Watkins and Ball would be an outstanding combo to add to any team and I can't berate anyone interested in moving Julio for them. For me it comes down to what I've seen Julio produce and what most are hoping Ball and Watkins could produce.

Watkins is going to be joining Julio in Atlanta anyway.

emurrell17 said:

Watkins is going to be joining Julio in Atlanta anyway.

Haha, yeah this is a total possibility as well.

DefiantVitreous said:

BuckysGT said:

Swampies said:

DefiantVitreous said:

As would I. That offer was way too rich. I'd reoffer and take out the 1.05 and throw in one of his early 2nd's and you throw in a 6th or something. Ball and 1.01 itself is probably more than Julio is worth, but downgrading from the 1.05 to a high 2nd and throwing in a late pick may still get it done.

thanks! If I wanted to trade Julio I might have done that but I don't. I was offered and that was my counter offer. It was my way to say if you really want him then go for it because I'm not giving him up unless i got the better of the deal.

this is exactly how I'd think if I were moving Julio. If you want him be prepared to overpay for him.

Nothing wrong with starting high and seeing if someone bites (although they also may be insulted and you'll gather a bad 'trade' reputation, but I digress). But once he blatantly says no thanks and doesn't even counter, the trade is dead. Might as well see if you can come up with something that both parties can be happy with. At the end of the day, a good trade is a good trade. There is no doubt (at least IMO) that Julio and a 6th/7th for Ball, 1.01 and 2.01 is a fantastic trade and worth giving up Julio for. Is it as good as what you originally asked for? No, but we all know that no rational owner would have accepted that trade. So downgrade a bit to get the other owner talking, but still clearly keeping the ball in your court. Like I said, a good trade is still a good trade and if you're not moving forward, you'll be passed up.

I agree with this sometimes. But in this case the other guy came to @Swampies about Julio. He didn't really want to move Julio. Plus he said this league was notorious for starting talks by sending low offers. Knowing this, sending the counter he did makes sense. If the guy really wanted Julio he needed to overpay. If he didn't overpay, Swampies didn't really lose anything because he wasn't looking to move him anyway. In this case I think it was best to shoot for the moon.

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