Patterson

1350 total yards and 9 total TDs

JRMRRT said:

stewss7 said:

All the vikings QBs together may not have those numbers...much less a raw second year WR.

The Minn QBs (Cassell, Ponder and Freeman) last year combined for 4,216 yards and 20 TDs last year passing. All 3 played for the Vikings last year right?

It was a joke, howdy...a joke. But seriously, if you think he'll have 80-90 catches, I'd like to place a very large wager with you. He's not Welker. Getting open is not his strong suit by any means. I can realistically see 60-65 catches for 6-8 TDs and 950-1100 yds.

stewss7 said:

JRMRRT said:

stewss7 said:

All the vikings QBs together may not have those numbers...much less a raw second year WR.

The Minn QBs (Cassell, Ponder and Freeman) last year combined for 4,216 yards and 20 TDs last year passing. All 3 played for the Vikings last year right?

It was a joke, howdy...a joke. But seriously, if you think he'll have 80-90 catches, I'd like to place a very large wager with you. He's not Welker. Getting open is not his strong suit by any means. I can realistically see 60-65 catches for 6-8 TDs and 950-1100 yds.

I dont think hell have 90 catches...prob around 65. I said 1350 total yards and 9 total TDs. He will def produce in the running game. Ill take those numbers all day for a 2nd yr WR and be ecstatic.

Norv will utilize that special talent, it's what Norv does. We Patterson owners will be very very happy going forward and well worth a slight overpay. Trust in Norv is my motto

I got him at 4.05 in the DC dynasty superflex a month ago. He was the WR15(counting 1.1). The two WR's taken before were Cruz and Harvin and the two wr's after were Garcon and Hilton. I thought that was just about right for him and a fair price for his youth and upside. This was a superflex draft though so 4.05 isn't quite accurate.

All we can do is project a line with Cassel as the qb as of now. Even if they draft a guy like David Carr I gotta think he's sitting for a year or at least part of the season. If Cassel can throw for 4000yds under Norv Turner, I'm thinking Rudolph and AP could have career highs in rec yds, and Jennings totals could be close to 1000, but I won't project that. A dispersion like this is possible:
Jennings-850
Rudolph-650
AP-350
Wright-400
Simpson-400
Other-400

That would leave 950yds for CP. 1-2 return tds if your league counts those. Rushing yds should push him close to 1100 total. I'll say 65/1100/10. Keep in mind he is still raw at route running. He could evolve into a big PPR guy, but not next season imo.

donvaughn said:

I got him at 4.05 in the DC dynasty superflex a month ago. He was the WR15(counting 1.1). The two WR's taken before were Cruz and Harvin and the two wr's after were Garcon and Hilton. I thought that was just about right for him and a fair price for his youth and upside. This was a superflex draft though so 4.05 isn't quite accurate.

All we can do is project a line with Cassel as the qb as of now. Even if they draft a guy like David Carr I gotta think he's sitting for a year or at least part of the season. If Cassel can throw for 4000yds under Norv Turner, I'm thinking Rudolph and AP could have career highs in rec yds, and Jennings totals could be close to 1000, but I won't project that. A dispersion like this is possible:
Jennings-850
Rudolph-650
AP-350
Wright-400
Simpson-400
Other-400

That would leave 950yds for CP. 1-2 return tds if your league counts those. Rushing yds should push him close to 1100 total. I'll say 65/1100/10. Keep in mind he is still raw at route running. He could evolve into a big PPR guy, but not next season imo.

I'm all over Patterson at 4.05. With this being a SuperFlex though, CP got pushed down due to the early QB run. I'd say in a normal start 1QB league, you'd see 2, maybe 3 QBs taken by the 4.05. I'm curious of how many QBs were off the board when you took CP. That would be good to compare where you would have been taking him had this not been a SuperFlex league. The startups I've been in or seen this offseason has had Patterson going in the WR8-10 range in the mid-late 2nd round.

http://football17.myfantasyleague.com/2014/options?L=75084&O=113&DISPLAY=LEAGUE

13 qbs 1 rookie. Maybe pushed down about a round. Figure mid 3rd here

donvaughn said:

http://football17.myfantasyleague.com/2014/options?L=75084&O=113&DISPLAY=LEAGUE

13 qbs 1 rookie. Maybe pushed down about a round. Figure mid 3rd here

Yeah, I'd say that would be in the 3.05/3.07 range in a start 1QB league. That's still pretty good value compared to where I've seen him going.

bmxholden1 said:

Norv will utilize that special talent, it's what Norv does. We Patterson owners will be very very happy going forward and well worth a slight overpay. Trust in Norv is my motto

I read where Norv has already put in 10 plays specifically for Patterson. I know I'm projecting major upside, but I can see 40-50 receptions from screens and another 40-50 from conventional routes. With his YAC ability, I can see 1200-1400 total yards. I think 10-15 TDs is very doable for him as well.

Personally, I think there are a few WRs who are knocking on the door of being elite: Cobb, Jeffery, Allen, and Patterson - and I like Patterson's combination of talent and opportunity the best of all.

love patterson but he is still raw and learning he numbers will increase but 1400 for a 2nd player is tough to imagine but with him doable..

with his learning curve still going i predict 65 1200 totals yards 9 tds..he will explode year 3 IMHO...and become top 3 at that point..

I think it's going to be hard to keep him out of the end zone...

Rec: 70-900-8
Rush: 25-250-4

So about 250 PPR & about 190 Non. Should put him solidly in the WR2 range.

Just my $0.02...

Sounds like we all agree that he is a solid WR 10-20 with potential to be elite, just a question of whether he breaks out this year or next. Either way, I will take that!

I absolutely think he is break out capable! Like I said, I absolutely love CP! I'm a Tennessee homer, and I thought he was the best wr in the class..I was worried that I was being biased though and took Hopkins over him in a few leagues lol. Lesson for me:

Trust your gut. It's better to go with your gut and miss then it is to go with someone else's and miss out!

I also am probably not going to listen (maybe with one ear) when I hear a crazy athlete just needs 'fine tuning' or is 'raw' as long as someone is teachable and has a good attitude (which I believe CP is both of those), it's the better athlete that wins out eventually. This year I think that guy is Kelvin Benjamin.

But the problem with CP is that these projections are so high, there is a lot of room to disappoint..not much room to impress. The point of fantasy football is buying players low, like stocks, in hopes that their value will rise higher than what you paid for it. I don't think CP has much of a chance to outperform his adp this year...that's why he is one of my biggest bust candidates going into next year

If he meets the expectations that people have for them, then it will be a fantastic season for him. The problem is that it's expected...I think I already said this earlier, but if you buy CP, you are paying for Cobb or Allen numbers(and I honestly think it's going to get into the dez/DT area soon). If you get anything less then that, then you lose

emurrell17 said:

I absolutely think he is break out capable! Like I said, I absolutely love CP! I'm a Tennessee homer, and I thought he was the best wr in the class..I was worried that I was being biased though and took Hopkins over him in a few leagues lol. Lesson for me:

Trust your gut. It's better to go with your gut and miss then it is to go with someone else's and miss out!

I also am probably not going to listen (maybe with one ear) when I hear a crazy athlete just needs 'fine tuning' or is 'raw' as long as someone is teachable and has a good attitude (which I believe CP is both of those), it's the better athlete that wins out eventually. This year I think that guy is Kelvin Benjamin.

But the problem with CP is that these projections are so high, there is a lot of room to disappoint..not much room to impress. The point of fantasy football is buying players low, like stocks, in hopes that their value will rise higher than what you paid for it. I don't think CP has much of a chance to outperform his adp this year...that's why he is one of my biggest bust candidates going into next year

If he meets the expectations that people have for them, then it will be a fantastic season for him. The problem is that it's expected...I think I already said this earlier, but if you buy CP, you are paying for Cobb or Allen numbers(and I honestly think it's going to get into the dez/DT area soon). If you get anything less then that, then you lose

That's my stance too. I'd rather wait and pay Dez prices after I know that he's going to live up to the hype then to pay Cobb prices now and take on the risk that he doesn't.

Couldnt we say the same thing about Cobb and Allen to though. I mean Cobb hasnt had a 1000 yard season yet and Allen could be a one hit wonder. Weve seen other rookies have a great season and then disappear before. Id almost take CP over Allen just on athletic prowess alone and hope the upside of him being the #1 WR now with Norv hits. I think CP has greater upside than Allen personally. I think Allens ceiling will likely hover right around what he did last year. V Jax never went crazy in SD either.

JRMRRT said:

Couldnt we say the same thing about Cobb and Allen to though. I mean Cobb hasnt had a 1000 yard season yet and Allen could be a one hit wonder. Weve seen other rookies have a great season and then disappear before. Id almost take CP over Allen just on athletic prowess alone and hope the upside of him being the #1 WR now with Norv hits. I think CP has greater upside than Allen personally. I think Allens ceiling will likely hover right around what he did last year. V Jax never went crazy in SD either.

i am so glad to hear this..as i said he was the best in this Draft...sticking out chest lol..but allen is a beast as well i want to own both..

bddavidson said:

JRMRRT said:

Couldnt we say the same thing about Cobb and Allen to though. I mean Cobb hasnt had a 1000 yard season yet and Allen could be a one hit wonder. Weve seen other rookies have a great season and then disappear before. Id almost take CP over Allen just on athletic prowess alone and hope the upside of him being the #1 WR now with Norv hits. I think CP has greater upside than Allen personally. I think Allens ceiling will likely hover right around what he did last year. V Jax never went crazy in SD either.

i am so glad to hear this..as i said he was the best in this Draft...sticking out chest lol..but allen is a beast as well i want to own both..

Dont get too happy cause Patterson's floor is probably complete bust too so theres definitely risk.

JRMRRT said:

bddavidson said:

JRMRRT said:

Couldnt we say the same thing about Cobb and Allen to though. I mean Cobb hasnt had a 1000 yard season yet and Allen could be a one hit wonder. Weve seen other rookies have a great season and then disappear before. Id almost take CP over Allen just on athletic prowess alone and hope the upside of him being the #1 WR now with Norv hits. I think CP has greater upside than Allen personally. I think Allens ceiling will likely hover right around what he did last year. V Jax never went crazy in SD either.

i am so glad to hear this..as i said he was the best in this Draft...sticking out chest lol..but allen is a beast as well i want to own both..

Dont get too happy cause Patterson's floor is probably complete bust too so theres definitely risk.

like i said i dont expect huger numbers this year as other do he will do better this year but not a good as alot of people think he is still learning..year 3 is the year he bust loose IMHO..

Allen isn't going anywhere - while CP has a lot to learn about route-running, Allen is already a top 10, maybe better, route runner. Not to mention his short area quickness is amazing - he shakes every corner, he can catch, he is dynamic, and very good after the catch. Allen has football skills, CP has physical gifts, both will get it done, but Allen is going to be GREAT if he stays healthy.

bmxholden1 said:

Allen isn't going anywhere - while CP has a lot to learn about route-running, Allen is already a top 10, maybe better, route runner. Not to mention his short area quickness is amazing - he shakes every corner, he can catch, he is dynamic, and very good after the catch. Allen has football skills, CP has physical gifts, both will get it done, but Allen is going to be GREAT if he stays healthy.

Actually Allen was #18 among WRs in my standard PPR league last year...not top 10. And look at V Jax career numbers in SD...Not elite at all...boarderline stud and V Jax is really talented and huge. Many said DT was raw and couldnt run routes as well...

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