bddavidson said:

Swampies said:

This is all starting to sound like what I would imagine those who were set in their ways, way back when felt when Jackie Robinson came into baseball. A lot of people asking why and a lot of people saying yes it's about time!

The thing is there has always been gays in the nfl..but now all of a sudden they fill to need to advertise it for what ever reason idk ...

I can’t imagine the courage it takes to reveal the fact that you were born with the attraction to the same sex (Just like the way we were born with the attraction to the opposite sex...we didn’t choose to be attracted to women...we just are).

 I agree with tmoney, perhaps he didn’t want to live a lie anymore. He should have the right to not hide who he is attracted to. If we don’t have insight into what it is like to be a homosexual individual then it may be prudent not to jump to judgment. After all that is how discrimination starts.

 Remember this is a big deal because of ignorant individuals who still discriminate (and in some cases assault) homosexuals just for being with someone of the same sex. When that behavior and discrimination stops then it wont be a big deal and there will be no need to discuss it.

I think we are a ways away from this world though because it is clear that many people are still very uncomfortable with the idea that some people are attracted to the same sex.

If you haven’t lived in someone’s shoes or felt the ridicule they receive then it may be unfair to comment on their motives and falsely put your own fears and insecurities on an entire group of people.

To call a group of people “this group” and then generalize their alleged tendencies is unfair and I am confident none of us would like it.

If someone said for example that Italian Americans tend to be in the mob by saying “you know what this group does...”, I would be offended. But I would feel more sorry for the individual who was taught this thought process.

Sams is courageous. Any person who stands up for something that will likely cause him ridicule and pain is courageous in my book.

Fighting_Amish said:

k0wned said:

Fighting_Amish said:

Swampies said:

This whole being born gay thing is a crock, but I guess some in today's society listen to lady gaga to shape their beliefs.

Flipper said:

I can’t imagine the courage it takes to reveal the fact that you were born with the attraction to the same sex (Just like the way we were born with the attraction to the opposite sex...we didn’t choose to be attracted to women...we just are).

 I agree with tmoney, perhaps he didn’t want to live a lie anymore. He should have the right to not hide who he is attracted to. If we don’t have insight into what it is like to be a homosexual individual then it may be prudent not to jump to judgment. After all that is how discrimination starts.

 Remember this is a big deal because of ignorant individuals who still discriminate (and in some cases assault) homosexuals just for being with someone of the same sex. When that behavior and discrimination stops then it wont be a big deal and there will be no need to discuss it.

I think we are a ways away from this world though because it is clear that many people are still very uncomfortable with the idea that some people are attracted to the same sex.

If you haven’t lived in someone’s shoes or felt the ridicule they receive then it may be unfair to comment on their motives and falsely put your own fears and insecurities on an entire group of people.

To call a group of people “this group” and then generalize their alleged tendencies is unfair and I am confident none of us would like it.

If someone said for example that Italian Americans tend to be in the mob by saying “you know what this group does...”, I would be offended. But I would feel more sorry for the individual who was taught this thought process.

Sams is courageous. Any person who stands up for something that will likely cause him ridicule and pain is courageous in my book.

Smitty said:

No problem, my only request is that if you are subject to getting offended by this topic, on either side, just ignore the topic please. I'm tired of putting out fires with these topics. Please. Lol

bmxholden1 said:

Agree Smitty,  and any argument I add is just part of a civil debate, but also I think in a debate we need to be free to be honest without the PC so here goes:

An argument that says "they are born that way, they can't help it" doesn't hold water.  For instance, a polygamist may say, can't help it, gotta have multiple Wives, was created that way.  Or a pedophile says "can't help it, born that way".  See, the argument "born that way" doesn't end the debate on any subject, because a lot of people are born to have some pretty perverted ways of looking at things and society must legislate to prevent certain behaviors, so the debate is not "they were born that way so it must be normal", the logical debate is, is it something they were born with or developed that needs to be corrected or accepted?  One thing is quite certain, the act of Sodomy is neither natural or normal, for gay or straight couples, that is a biological fact, so the attempt to normalize an abnormal act is just simply a perversion of truth.  It would be like arguing that cancer is good for you, it isn't, plain and simple.  

So frankly, I don't really care how you answer the question of whether homosexuality needs to be accepted or corrected, additionally gay people don't necessarily bother me, the same as if a straight couple was into some "alternative" behaviors, if they keep it to their private lives, but when they demand that I agree with them and fight for the right to propagandize my kids, well that's where I draw the line. The truth will never be discovered until we can have the debate without the new pressure to be Politically Correct, another way of saying, mind slaves.  

tmoney said:

I think this conversation would have a vastly different tone if it wasn't about a yet to be drafted prospect, but rather an already established NFL star.  Imagine if a player like Aaron Rodgers (not saying he's gay, just making a point) were to come out.  I think people would have a much easier time accepting it.

bddavidson said:

..but glad this also has been very civil kudos DC Nation!